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What the best performance upgrade for my 2021 4runner?

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by RockinB, Dec 25, 2020.

  1. Jan 14, 2021 at 9:24 AM
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    Singleminded

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    Sure, many people are coming from cars that are actually faster. I traded a WRX in on my 4Runner. My car before that was a BMW M235i: 0-60 in the 4s.

    My point is that a lot of other people are coming from cars that are no faster than the 4Runner -- and may even be slower -- but they think those cars were faster simply because of the way the throttle is programmed. People don't have to like the way the 4Runner throttle is programmed. They just shouldn't confuse their preference for actual performance. Facts are facts.
     
  2. Jan 14, 2021 at 9:51 AM
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    Look when I bought my 1988 e30 m3 22years ago it was slow but not by much today I get beat from a light by Toyota Corollas BUT! My car still is tops at any race track all day long
    my point is every puzzle has its pieces that fit
    A 4Runner is king in its element enjoy it for its fit
    J
     
  3. Jan 14, 2021 at 12:08 PM
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    Time in the seat is a good enhancement, in several different situations no less. The 4Runner is very capable in it's element, which happens to be off-road. There are lots of performance upgrades for the 4Runner, exhausts, intake mods, probably blowers in the near future for the 2021, don't forget to keep the tires planted, so suspension, the list goes on!
     
  4. Jan 14, 2021 at 12:32 PM
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    The best performance upgrade that you can add to 4runner is, Raptor Lights of course.....
     
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  5. Jan 15, 2021 at 9:14 PM
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    IMO it's not about the actual performance numbers, those are somewhat irrelevant. How often does one ever need to get to 60mph from a dead stop? Or traverse a 1/4 mile at full throttle?

    IMO 40-60 top gear acceleration times are a more realistic number. (I used to see these in Car and Driver, not sure if those #s exist for the 4R)

    What makes the "feel" is low to midrange power, which the 4.0 is lacking. The fastest "feeling" car I've owned was a 88 Trans Am with the TPI350 and an auto. That car made 230hp and barely broke 15 sec in the 1/4 mile...best I ever got was 14.9x at like 90mph. I think a V6 Camry would take it in the 1/4. What made the car "feel" fast was that with 345 ft lbs of torque at 2800rpm, with most of that available right off idle, the thing pulled like a freight train at low rpms. That car would also roast the tires pretty easy too with all that torque, and would take any hill or even the mountains without ever needed to shift out of overdrive.

    I also have an LS1 powered Firebird now...305hp (though really more like 345, these cars were dynoing close to 300 at the wheels stock), 335 ft lbs of torque. The torque/hp comes on a little later in the LS, though there's still good tq at lower rpm. That car with an auto and 2.73 gears runs 13.6 at 105ish in the 1/4, yet the first time I drove one I still owned the 88, and thought the LS felt slow compared to the 350, even though the LS would destroy it and had way better numbers. (it still has no need to ever downshift no matter what the conditions unless I romp on it. It'll pull any grade with the cruise at 80mph and the engine barely turning 2krpm.)

    Anyway, I don't care that the 4R will do 0-60 in 7.2 seconds (or whatever) with my foot to the floor and the engine screaming at redline sounding like a blender full of ball bearings. I care that I can't maintain speed over a hill on the highway or accelerate above 40mph without the trans downshifting a gear or two. Especially when a lot of times these downshifts are not accompanied by any noticeable acceleration unless you put it to the floor.

    All these slower cars that "feel" faster probably had engines that made power in a more useful RPM range, like the diesel van someone mentioned.
     
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  6. Jan 16, 2021 at 5:58 PM
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    Any vehicle is going to downshift to accelerate at highway speed.

    Comparing a 3500 LB muscle car with 325 LB/FT of torque to a 4,700 LB brick with ~270 LB/FT isn't really fair.

    Personally I think the 1GR is pretty smooth in the high RPM's. Maybe there's something wrong with yours.
     
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  7. Jan 16, 2021 at 9:42 PM
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    Here you go Bud. All of the must-have 4Runner parts consolidated in one place. go to town!!!!

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  8. Jan 16, 2021 at 11:59 PM
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    Hmmm, maybe from a redlight that's the entrance ramp to a highway? That's at least once every day for me. My Runner does just fine, even starting out at almost 6000 feet. It's a body on frame, 4x4 truck, it's not a 911. Feels great to me. I mash the pedal and tell my beautiful wife with a coy smile that it's in Sports Mode (tm). I drive it like a 4Runner, not like a 4Runner that I'm expecting to perform like something else. I can almost see my Runner smile when the tach gets above 3K. Kinda like, "Wind it up - let's go!" 0-60 in a little over 7 seconds is a pretty good time for a truck that can also be submerged almost 2 feet and survive. Try that in your Firebird.

    What hills are you trying to climb? Everest? I've had mine on passes well over 10000 feet here in Colorado, and even stock geared on 285's I have no problems accelerating at 70+ up the hills. Yeah, the engine is revving. The engine/tranny is working in accordance to how it was designed. And it works very well for it's purpose. Oh the horror, it downshifts. Learn how to drive the Runner according to it's design. Or just sell the damn thing and let it go to a home that appreciates it's capabilities, and not focus on it's (supposed) faults.

    This isn't all directed specifically at you Trail Runnah. I've grown tired of reading these bitch threads. Too slow, brakes suck, headlights are weak, the paint is thin, gas mileage SUCKS. Boring and whiny. If a Runner doesn't meet expectations vs. design, then someone didn't do their due diligence properly or thoroughly before buying. Or set unrealistic expectations. The 5th gen has been in the market for 10 years now, and is a fairly well known quantity. There's plenty of info, from real owners, on how the truck performs in the real world. Just look at this or the "other" forum for real owners thoughts and experiences. Even better, drive it in real world situations and not just a quick lap around the block before buying it. It's not the truck's fault. Cheers.
     
  9. Jan 17, 2021 at 10:06 AM
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    Best performance upgrade I’ve found is the Pedal Commander.

    No, it doesn’t increase HP. No, it won’t decrease your 0-60 time.

    But for every day normal driving it increases the throttle input lower in the pedal travel, and absolutely gives it a MUCH better throttle feel as the lag is taken out.

    Less than $300 too. Exhaust / CAI / etc will only net negligible HP extremely high in the RPM range. I rarely drive up there, so having a much more responsive driving experience where I spend 99% of driving is preferable to me.

    Signed,
    Guy who traded in his 14 Jeep SRT w/ suspension and exhaust upgrades on a 4R.
     
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  10. Jan 17, 2021 at 11:36 AM
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    Same for me with Sprint booster. Everyday driving does have more zip to it
     
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  11. Jan 18, 2021 at 3:29 AM
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    New members with no posts are allowed to start a thread? SMH.
    4 more pages of a 10 year debate that has raged on since the demise of the 2UZ option. And even that wasn't a race car.
     
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    The 2uz 4runners were slower than the 1GR dual VVT-I ones. o_O they did have more torque, though. I loved mine!
     
  13. Jan 29, 2021 at 4:01 PM
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    Amen from another Colorado driver. I could not have said it better.
     
  14. Jan 29, 2021 at 4:05 PM
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    LOL at all the people saying the 4R is slow.

    My first car was a 91 Civic Hatch. I don't think that 90hp POS could go faster than 55.
     
  15. Jan 29, 2021 at 9:52 PM
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    Pffft. That's a Formula 1 compared to what I had to drive. I had to go around the block three times just to get it to 30 mph. Sounded like
    a chainsaw and smelled like one too. 1967 Saab 95, with a three on the tree, and a three cylinder, two stroke engine. Mine had the optional
    oil injector. I think the engine made 38 hp. At sea level. Brand new. Mine looked just like this except it had black wheels instead of red.

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  16. Jan 30, 2021 at 8:28 AM
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    That Saab is stylin

    I had a 91 Civic hatch. First new car I ever bought. Really impressively well built thing for the price. The 16-valve four felt and sounded so precise. As if as much engineering went into that engine as in the engines in most luxury cars of the day. I don't actually recall how fast I ever took it on the highway, but I definitely don't recall it having trouble at highway speeds (of course, back then almost all roads had a 55 MPH limit, so you weren't often doing more than 65 anyway).

    Here's a link to a nice story about that car:

    https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/videos/a31018/1991-honda-civic-hatch-regular-review/
    "The EF Civic embodied the values that made Honda great: basic, affordable transportation, built to the highest quality possible."

    Speaking of speed, I was out running errands in my Limited last night and said to myself, "You know, self, a lot o folks on that Runner forum thing complain that the vehicle is sloooow. Let's give it some gas and see how it goes..." So I did. And it done went good.

    Call me crazy, but I even liked the sound of the motor as it revved up toward redline. Sounded darn good to me.

    And remember folks, I've had BMWs, a GTI, a WRX...

    I like this Toyota 4.0.
     
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  18. Sep 15, 2021 at 4:23 AM
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    Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, now if I could only find the dang B and A buttons…..
     
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