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Vehicle Data Transmission

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by Harbinger, Jun 21, 2020.

  1. Jul 29, 2020 at 9:07 AM
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    Singleminded

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    A few other thoughts (and we should keep this thread going):

    1. The manuals with my 2020 Limited say you can opt out of connected services by pressing the SOS button and talking to Toyota.

    2. The Privacy Disclosure linked earlier in this thread contains a mailing address in addition to a phone number. I would recommend verbally opting out and requesting data deletion, then sending a letter to this address to memorialize that verbal request and to reiterate it. We should be able to trust Toyota to follow their own procedures and keep their promises. Just note the caution I made earlier: hackers could still turn these systems back on, and Toyota will do it themselves if asked by the government.

    3. My infotainment system contains an option for asking Toyota to delete my personal information.

    4. The most helpful things that could come from this thread are:
    a) awareness, so people will know the risks
    b) awareness, so people will support legislation to better protect our rights and property
    c) a good solution for disabling the cellular connection in these vehicles. Yes, you can chop off the shark fin. But that's just the antenna and there must be a better way. Most people don't even know where exactly the cellular transmitter is located.
     
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  2. Jul 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM
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    So do you think the cell transmit is tied into the shark fin? Or would be a stand alone unit? Even if you disconnect the fin, the transmitter probably has a back up system of some sort in place.
     
  3. Jul 29, 2020 at 10:54 AM
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    I don't know where the transmitter is but sure would like to. And agree that removing the antenna might not be enough.
     
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  4. Aug 1, 2020 at 11:23 AM
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    When I paired my 2019 TRD ORP with my phone, the 4Runner asked for permission to access certain things on my phone - contacts, SMS, and I don't remember what else. It obviously needs your contact and SMS info for the hands-free features of calling and reading your texts to you.

    If you set your GPS 'Go Home' option, it knows where you live also. I always set these options to a location far enough away but close enough so that if I get to that place, I inherently know how to go the rest of the way home.

    What it does with this data is not clear to me. I hope it stays local to the vehicle and when I use the head unit menu option to delete my data that it does that also.
     
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  5. Aug 1, 2020 at 12:06 PM
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    According to https://www.toyota.com/content/connectedservices/marketing/PDF/MY19_Connected_Services_Table.pdf the 2019 4Runner did not have any models with "Connected Services"

    According to https://www.toyota.com/content/connectedservices/marketing/PDF/MY20_Connected_Services_Table.pdf different models of the 4Runner had different "Connected Services"

    It sounds like a lot of the "extras" come with your installation of the Entune mobile app on your phone.

    Have you registered your vehicle with Toyota and provided them even more information about you?

    The fine print disclaimer on that 2020 Connected Services PDF is this:
    1. Toyota Safety Connect depends on an operative telematics device, a cellular connection, navigation map data and GPS signal strength and other factors outside of Toyota’s control, all of which can limit system functionality or availability, including access to response center and emergency support. Stolen vehicle police report required to use Stolen Vehicle Locator. Registration required. Service subject to change at any time without notice. Terms of Use apply. Service may vary by vehicle and region. See usage precautions and service limitations in Owner’s Manual and Toyota.com/connected-services/ for additional details. To learn about Toyota’s data collection, use, sharing and retention practices, please visit https://www.toyota.com/privacyvts/. The Safety Connect trial period is at no extra cost and begins on the original date of purchase or lease of a new vehicle. After the trial period expires, enrollment in paid subscription is required to access the service. 2. Contact with the response center may not be available in all areas. Service Agreement required. A variety of subscription terms available; charges will vary. See Toyota.com for details. 3. Information provided is based on the last time data was collected from the vehicle and may not be up to date. Service Connect depends on an operative telematics device, a cellular connection, navigation map data, GPS signal strength and other factors outside of Toyota’s control, which can limit functionality or availability. Service may vary by vehicle and region. Registration required. Service subject to change at any time without notice. Terms of Use apply. See usage precautions and service limitations in Owner’s Manual and Toyota.com/connected-services for additional details. To learn about Toyota’s data collection, use, sharing and retention practices, please visit https://www.toyota.com/privacyvts/. The Service Connect trial period is at no extra cost and begins on the original date of purchase or lease of a new vehicle. After the trial period expires, enrollment in paid subscription is required to access the service. 4. Use only if aware of circumstances surrounding vehicle and it is legal and safe to do so (e.g., do not remotely start engine if vehicle is in an enclosed space or vehicle is occupied by a child). Remote Connect depends on an operative telematics device, a cellular connection, GPS signal strength and other factors outside of Toyota’s control, which can limit system functionality and availability. Service may vary by vehicle and region. Registration and app download required. Terms of Use apply. Data charges may apply. Remote start/stop not available on manual transmission-equipped vehicles. Services subject to change at any time without notice. See usage precautions and service limitations in Owner’s Manual and https://www.toyota.com/connected-services for additional details. To learn about Toyota’s data collection, use, sharing and retention practices, please visit https://www.toyota.com/privacyvts/. The Remote Connect trial period is at no extra cost and begins on the original date of purchase or lease of a new vehicle. After the trial period expires, enrollment in a paid subscription is required to access the service. Terms and conditions apply. 5. Wi-Fi Connect is available on select 2018 and newer Toyota vehicles. Visit Toyota.com for vehicle availability. Verizon Wireless is the network provider for Wi-Fi Connect, which uses Verizon’s 4G LTE network to transmit data. Data usage and charges apply. Coverage not available everywhere; see vzw.com. See verizonwireless.com/bestnetwork for details. LTE is a trademark of ETSI. Other terms apply. Up to 5 devices can be supported using in-vehicle connectivity. Verizon Wireless data subscription required upon end of 6-month trial period or use of 2-GB data (whichever comes first). Use of Wi-Fi Connect subject to Verizon Wireless’ Customer Agreement (verizonwireless.com/legal/notices/customer-agreement/), Privacy Policy (verizon.com/about/privacy/privacy-policy-summary), and data use policies (verizonwireless.com/support/vz-email-legal/). Apps and services subject to change at any time without notice. 6. Destination Assist depends on an operative telematics device, a cellular connection, navigation map data and GPS signal strength and other factors outside of Toyota’s control, which can limit system ability, functionality or availability. Use common sense when relying on this information. Service may vary by vehicle and region. Registration required. Services subject to change at any time without notice. Terms and conditions of subscription services agreement apply. See Owner’s Manual and Toyota.com/connected-services for additional limitations and details. To learn about Toyota’s data collection, use, sharing and retention practices, please visit https://www.toyota.com/privacyvts/. The Destination Assist trial period is at no extra cost and begins on the original date of purchase or lease of a new vehicle. After the trial period expires, enrollment in a paid subscription is required to access the service. 7. Renewal pricing and services are subject to change at any time without prior notification. All pricing excludes taxes and Dealer labor fee is required to perform Map data updates. Dealer labor charges may vary by location. Dynamic Navigation & Destination Assist renewals available on Multimedia Premium Audio only. Scout® GPS Link renewal available on Multimedia Audio and Multimedia Audio Plus only. Safety, Service, Remote, and Wi-Fi renewals available on Multimedia Audio Plus & Multimedia Premium Audio only. Contact with the response center for connected services may not always be available in some areas. 8. Eligible vehicle and wireless service required. Coverage and service not available everywhere. Valid in the contiguous U.S. and Alaska. Do not drive distracted. Go to att.com/toyota for terms and conditions. Wi-Fi Connect is available on select 2019 and newer Toyota vehicles. Visit Toyota.com for vehicle availability. Data usage and charges apply. Up to 5 devices can be supported using in-vehicle connectivity. Services subject to change at any time without notice. The Wi-Fi Connect trial period is at no extra cost and begins on the date of activation. After the trial period expires, enrollment in a paid subscription is required to access the service. Terms and conditions apply.
     
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  6. Aug 1, 2020 at 12:21 PM
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    Good info. But Safety Connect has been a feature on the 4R Limited since 2015, as per https://www.toyota.com/content/entune/pdf/Safety_Connect_Legacy_Support.pdf

    While this is a lot less by way of connected services than what’s on the 2020 models, it’s still an internet connection, via cellular, from your car. (Plus location tracking). There’s still a microphone to collect audio from inside the car. There’s still a question of how much a hacker, or Toyota at the behest of the government, could do with that connection to either manipulate the car or to collect your data.
     
  7. Aug 1, 2020 at 12:26 PM
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  8. Aug 1, 2020 at 9:22 PM
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    New member here, two day owner of 2020 SR5. This thread is an eye opener. Thank you OP and everybody for the info!
     

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