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Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by Harbinger, Jun 21, 2020.

  1. Jun 21, 2020 at 4:26 AM
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    Who has Turned their VDT off? Im really considering doing it. I dont like the idea of all my movements being tracked, they know how much gas i have and what my mileage is just to name a few.

    Has anyone used their SOS button?

    Makes me think of On Star. And they can unlock your vehicle or turn in off with a push of a button from some office in BFE
     
  2. Jun 21, 2020 at 4:59 AM
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    Whooooa hold up... What is this VDT you're talking about?? Is this just a feature on the 2020's or do the '19s have it as well?? If so I would definitely like to turn it off. I read through just about my entire owner manual (to catch sneaky stuff like this) when I got my runner and didn't see anything about that.
     
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    I feel much the same, for me everything that’s being added is for safety features at the cost of privacy. I’ve never been a fan.

    I tried to follow the instruction about turning off the SOS feature. The first time I actually made and SOS call but your able to disconnect before connecting to and operator.

    A lot of the features seem to help people that can’t help themselves. I’m not suggesting this is a fact, just what I tend to notice. The adaptive cruise control... absolute trash. Here in Texas people don’t seem to believe in CC and therefore, drive all different speeds. The constant stop and throttle of the acceleration had me so frustrated I wanted to crash the damn thing on purpose.

    Again, most of these are features I find useless. I don’t like being tracked, I’m tired of sacrificing my privacy for market competition. Tirade over!
     
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    I believe these features to be form 2020 and newer. I remember such people having this discussion as a pro to buy a 19 over a 20. You should be A OK
     
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    Thanks for the info regarding the '19 vs '20.

    I feel the same way! Everything else is tracking us, from our phones to our purchases ect. The last thing I want is for any data from my vehicle to be turned over to Toyota to analyze.

    I, also, can't stand that adaptive CC!
     
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    Whether you keep it on or off, anytime you connect your vehicle to the internet via your phone, all that data is transmitted.
     
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    You do realize that if you just hold the CC button a few seconds, it becomes a traditional CC.
     
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    I actually just turned the whole thing off, appreciate it though.
     
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    Yes, it was an option in the '19, but it seems to be standard in the '20.
     
  11. Jul 2, 2020 at 10:25 AM
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    Navigation has been in the 5th gen for the entirety of it's run. The earlier models still have an ID that they can track. They may not have all the data transfer of the newer models, but if you have GPS, they can track you if they want to. I've thought about pulling my shark fin and cutting the umbilical many times.
     
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    Is that fin only the GPS? Nothing else uses it? If you cut the cord, let is know!!!
     
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    One more reason to build not buy.
     
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    The other things that come to mind is Sat radio and the Toyota on star system whatever it's called. Haven't had Sat radio for years and have a dual band ham radio for help if I need it. Been leaving my cell phone at home a lot lately because I use an XGPS for Nav when I need it.
     
  15. Jul 28, 2020 at 5:19 PM
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    Everybody wants your data to monetize it against your best interests but that doesn't mean you have to let them have unfettered access to it.

    One more reason I opted to buy a 2019 - I hate all those damn nannies and subscription services Toyota introduced.

    I don't care for integrated GPS - a $99 (or less) stand alone GPS unit (Garmin device or tablet with free Gaia app) would be just fine with me.

    You can always just turn your cell phone off and carry it with you in case you need it, and don't pair it with, or plug it into, your vehicle.
     
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  16. Jul 28, 2020 at 5:37 PM
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    AI will be taking over one day. It kind of already has in a lot of ways. The spoon fed masses will allow it too easily. We've raised a nation of non social "Look Downs". Probably gonna ruffle some feathers with that statement.
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    Agreed.

    But again, just for clarity and to the best of anyone's knowledge, does pairing your phone via Bluetooth to a 2019 allow any vehicle data to be transferred or collected?? And by pairing I mean just for calls/music.
     
  18. Jul 29, 2020 at 5:15 AM
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    I’m debating turning mine off. I already opted out of the Toyota insurance tracking and service contact communication. I was pretty shocked that these were on by default especially the insurance company one. Are they going to target me to offer my a better rate based on my Toyota driving score, average speed, and typical commute? Very creepy...

    I do see the usefulness for certain features such as theft tracking and emergency service. But most of it is just giving away privacy rights as others have said. It’s sad to see Toyota using safety features to hide a very clear monetary agenda to sell insurance and dealer service.

    I also don’t agree with an opt out philosophy. If customers want these features by all means opt in but they should not be on by default. Especially sharing my driving habits with an insurance company when I’m not even a customer.
     
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    If you want to get into creepy, think about contact tracing. It goes a lot deeper than just selling insurance. I have to adjust my foil hat now.......
     
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    I bought my 4r in Jan. And went with the last 2019 on the lot just for these reasons (ORP but not loaded up with a bunch of the garbage). My last SUV had all the garbage and I did not like it. Every time it rained the cruse sensor got water on it and started beeping at me to take it in for service. Hated it. Love the 4r for this and many other reasons.
     
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    I think we need a foil helmet these day haha The hats aren’t cutting it!
     
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    For those with the app. Look at your driving score. I drive very conservative and my insurance would have dinged me...why? I had many hard braking tags that is impossible to avoid in Chicago. Guessing insurance would rather you take out the jackass that slammed on his brakes in front of me.
    I had mine shut off but was a pain in the ass. Toyota makes you jump through hoops to get out of something that I was never informed that we were automatically signed up for
     
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    Very glad to see this discussion. More people should be tuning into this issue. It's not just a question of privacy. There's significant potential for hackers or governments to manipulate your vehicle. Any computer connected to the Internet can be hacked remotely, and most vehicle computers are. This includes Limiteds from before 2020, as they had Connected Services. Certain Sirius features have also had their own connection and data transmission for many years.

    It's not paranoid to assume that certain hostile nations have already compromised systems like this and OnStar as part of a larger cyber warfare strategy. We know that has already occurred with other systems used by many tens of millions of Americans. So there's already an ability of a country like China to send the lives of millions of people into turmoil in the context of a larger cyber or other kind of attack.

    Law enforcement has already tapped into these systems to shut off the vehicles of suspects, and to record conversations within vehicles to support arrests and prosecutions. You may or may not trust law enforcement to use this power only within Constitutional bounds and only to "catch the bad guys." I know better. But you certainly can't trust China or Russia.

    Do we really want someone to be able to turn our engines on or off, or in some vehicles to be able to steer or apply the brakes, from an Internet-connected computer anywhere in the world?

    So this goes well beyond location tracking, which occurs constantly anyway both via your cell phone and from now-ubiquitous license plate readers.

    As far as I know, the only reliable way to prevent the physical manipulation of your vehicle, the collection of personal data and the ability to record conversations is to disable any Internet connection. That means destroying or disconnecting the cellular transmitter.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaQIbonyCgw
    It's been a thing for awhile. I think anyone shopping for a new vehicle should address encryption with the management team at your dealer, and if they act dumb? I would say "No Sale". We should all demand control of this for security and safety reasons. 6K cars stolen in the UK back in 15'? There may be better security measures in place now, but it still doesn't protect our privacy. Erosion is a slow and deliberate process that needs to be monitored ALL the time, and not just at beach front property.
     
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    In case it's not obvious, I should clarify that it's not enough to opt out from these services. It's a good step to take if you rather protect your privacy than have the convenience of these services. But any system that can be turned off can also be turned back on. Hackers could do it without Toyota's cooperation. Toyota could do it in response to a government request.

    You can't trust Toyota's system to be invulnerable. And you sure as hell can't trust that they won't cooperate with government requests. They've already told you that in their Privacy Disclosure. Note that their cooperation is not limited to subpoenas or court orders or warrants. It just references government requests and investigations.
     
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    I bought my 12' used back in 15', but it came with a free trial of Sirius and Lojack. So I'm sure I signed over my rights to accept those free services.
    Disconnecting my Shark fin GPS seems like a good tracking deterent, but it still doesn't mean someone couldn't hack in locally. I use a BT dongle for system monitoring, so that could get hacked as well. I have a stand alone Dual XGPS I use for Navigation with GAIA, but there is no subscription involved with the GPS unit and the GAIA I usually only use offline, so I wonder if tracking a certain individual would be difficult in that scenario. But they could also go into the GAIA's data base and see what geographical areas I have downloaded to narrow the search parameters. All this in my case is pointless, because I've lived in the same house for 20 years and the same county for 53 years, so they pretty much know where I am 90% of the time anyway. And I have one of the most boring lives of anyone, so they would fall asleep tracking me anyway lol. Foil hat readjust forthcoming....
     
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    There doesn't appear to be any online method of opting out of all this crap. Do we really have to place a call to Toyota??
     
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    Oh I'm sure the hoops will be numerous.....
    I received sales pitches from Sirius for years after I let my subscription expire.
     
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    GPS isn't inherently a problem, since the satellites are only sending data to your GPS receiver, not receiving data back. The problem arises when your GPS receiver is connected to the Internet / cellular, or in your case when you upload that data.

    BUT, preventing location tracking isn't realistic anyway. There are way too many sources of data on our locations. License plate readers are pretty much everywhere on public roads. Multiple private companies take photos of your license plates on a regular basis. Any company or government agency can buy those photos complete with time, date and GPS data. These photos often show things besides your license plate. They can capture other parts of the vehicle. There are no laws constraining it. That's just one example of location tracking.

    That's bad enough. Then there's the ability of either hackers or governments to listen to your private conversations, and to take remote control of your vehicle.
     
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    I started here opting out of them selling my personal info and requesting them to delete what they had.

    https://privacy.toyota.com/privacy-hub/donotsell.html

    After seeing the comment about the driving score I think it’s wise to just disable the services. I noticed with Carista that there was an option to turn off connected services. I will do that as well. So annoying we can’t opt out online and have to place a call :evil:
     

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