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"Floating " feeling with '21 TRD.

Discussion in 'General 4Runner Talk' started by Ken2021, Jun 28, 2021.

  1. Jul 1, 2021 at 8:58 PM
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    I think we're all confusing him at this point.

    OP, just get new upper control arms and a new alignment and your problems will be fixed.
     
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  2. Jul 2, 2021 at 6:13 AM
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    Foster1 – That’s funny. Yes – I am just a layman when it comes to cars and I am learning a lot from everyone that contributed to my post. I took excellent care of my 4Runner which lasted 22 years without a scratch or major issue. I bought the best new one I could afford and have had more concerns in 4 months than in the previous 22 years and I think they are all related to the lift kit. I’ve asked other drivers to try it and they notice the same thing. I don’t feel like I am going to tip but the unstable feeling when making turns on the highway is disorienting and that concerns me. My dealership has a great reputation so I am hopeful that this will be resolved when I bring it in on Tuesday.
     
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  3. Jul 2, 2021 at 1:25 PM
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    I bet they wont......
     
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  4. Jul 2, 2021 at 1:27 PM
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    Yeah.... and you wont tip... and ill bet you my life, your awessome dealership, says "eh, we dont see anything wrong". But hey, if you drop money, on shit you dont need... have at it. Cheers. (there is nothing, zero, zip wrong with your brand damn new 4runner,... nothing)
    You, just feel different in it. Around turns. How upper control arms, will fight that tip feeling, is beyond me, that is sway bar territory,.... but hey, drop a few grand in it..... why not)

    Edit- not even replacing a "rusty bolt" will cure your ills.... but, hey have it.
     
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  5. Jul 2, 2021 at 1:40 PM
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    He came from a 3rd gen 4runner, I'm sure he knows what a truck handles like. It's not like he came from a camry.

    Sure uca wont fix the turning issue, but the annoying unstable highway issue wont happen anymore. Who knows what the dealer did or did not do correctly anyways. Did they do a proper alignment, did they torque bolts down correctly? Who knows.

    You act like 4runners should handle like a sfa (solid front axle). 4runners are one of the easiest vehicles I've ever driven in my life.

    Also, show me exactly where someone said replacing a rusty bolt will fix his issues? Feels like I'm on the brz forums again. Reading issues everywhere there.
     
  6. Jul 2, 2021 at 1:44 PM
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    I think it was you that posted a rusty nut,.. that said,.. they didnt install anything wrong,..ill bet.
    Hey, do you mate,.. ill do me. The op, will go in circles and circles,... and never be happy ill bet. Odd he test drove it, and bought it !?, but now, its going to, suddenly drive off the road and kill everyone. Makes me wanna buy it off him cheap.

    Edit- because now, its a death trap. Know what i mean? Or no!?

    Why not, second edit, how? How are upper control arms, going to affect rolling issues .??? How.??? Control arms, go up and down. Period. They dont fight against roll, body roll,... at all. And that is what he is getting at. Now if the camber and shit is off, we can talk about that, but, seems to me, he'd had felt that on the test drive?
    Also, i feel like a 4 runner, should drive as made,.. a 3 ton brick, for going out back. Not a camry.... hence why i deal with how it drives, & feels.... if yours is super soft and subtle, awesome, mine isnt....and i adore it.
    Again,.. just me.
     
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  7. Jul 2, 2021 at 1:55 PM
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  8. Jul 2, 2021 at 1:57 PM
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    I told him to replace the rusty castle nut as preventave maintenance since he will have to take it off anyways to replace the uca......
    You ever work on a truck where bolts keep breaking from being rusted on? It's a pain so replace them before you make a 1 hour job a 5 hour job the next time you work on your truck. Never did I say it would help with his handling issues.

    If he's driven a 3rd gen 4runner before and was happy, I'm sure he will be happy with a 5th gen.

    I've driven sfa trucks with no front sway bar across multiple states and was fine. Felt tippy but that's just how they behave. A 4runner is nowhere near difficult to drive. They dont "feel" like they're gonna tip unless you're turning way too fast, but that goes for any suv.
    Where does he say its gonna drive off the road and kill people? You're not special for knowing how to drive a 4runner, because again, they're not difficult to drive by any means.
     
  9. Jul 2, 2021 at 1:58 PM
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    Ugh, k.. later my guy. Happy adventures. Good hell.

    And, edit- nope. They aren't difficult, but they are different. Stay gold bud. Happy wheelin.
     
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  10. Jul 2, 2021 at 2:06 PM
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    Same to you fellow wheeler.

    I agree, they're different, but not difficult.
     
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    Just saw the edits. I agree.
    Uca will only help with highway instability, that's it. Unless his alignment is way off on camber and such, that's the best it get on turns.

    We're mostly on the same page, not sure why there's so much back and forth going on lol.
     
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    Last one, because imho, there isnt a damn thing wrong with his 2021. Period.

    See ya on the trails.
     
  13. Jul 2, 2021 at 4:38 PM
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    Yep, nothing wrong. Just that it could be better.

    In my opinion, new uca help with the wandering issues he said in the first post. You shouldn't be nervous when driving the 4runner. It's damn stable with a proper alignment. Ever driven a lifted sfa vehicle in the wind? That shits crazy!

    If I'm gonna lift above 2 inches in the front, I'm going for an aftermarket uca to get my caster numbers up, but that's just me. I also like to do preventative maintenance, but again, that's just me.

    I planned to go wheeling this weekend but the July 4th crowds are gonna be insane. Hopefully it's better where you are.
     
  14. Jul 2, 2021 at 5:29 PM
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    You are probably right.

    But I have knocked the caster way out of alignment off-road before and have noticed a difference coming back from the trails.

    Also, I would never describe the handling on this thing as wandering, unless the tires were inflated to 60 PSI.
     
  15. Jul 6, 2021 at 7:54 PM
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    I don’t have any kind of water in the garage.

    I brought the car to the dealership today and they were very accommodating. They gave me a loaner SR5 and said that they might have to send the car back to the place that installed the kit.

    Thanks again to everyone and I’ll let you know how this turns out.
     
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    They didn't even install it themselves? Weird.

    Ask them for an alignment spec sheet. One of the first things they'll do is check the alignment anyways.
     
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  17. Jul 7, 2021 at 6:00 PM
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    Schaumburg Toyota service dept told me that they felt the same sensation and that the salesman forgot to tell me that I need to bring the car to a place in Naperville when the car reaches 500-1000 miles to have it adjusted. I’m at 3,500. The place is nowhere near where I live and seems pretty important so I don’t know if it’s BS or what. I’m going to pick it up from the dealership now. I forgot to ask about the rust so I’ll bring it up when I get there
     
  18. Jul 7, 2021 at 6:34 PM
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    Yeah, rust should pretty much be non-existent at this point, so that is odd. Is it both castle nuts near the UCAs?

    They should not be directing you to a party with whom you have no contractual privity.You bought it from them; if something needs adjustment, they should get it done, even if it means taking it there themselves on a flatbed.

    I'm sorry to hear about these troubles. I'm sure you will sort it out though, and then begin to enjoy your ride without worrying about it.
     
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    The only way to tell if it's bs or not is if we see the alignment numbers currently. We still don't know if they properly aligned the truck after they lifted it or not.
     
  20. Jul 7, 2021 at 7:34 PM
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    How the hell do people get an alignment and not get the results?

    I've never not gotten a copy and never had to ask for a copy. Its automatic. If they actually did the job.
     
  21. Jul 7, 2021 at 7:57 PM
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    Here are the alignment results
    upload_2021-7-7_21-57-6.jpg
     
  22. Jul 11, 2021 at 4:24 PM
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    You definitely want more caster than that.

    What does the dealer mean when they say to take it to get it adjusted? Like just torque down bolts or get an alignment done? The dealer should know how to do both.
     
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    This. I didn't get a KDSS 2021, and knew that I was going to want to upgrade shocks and springs pretty quickly. Good to know that I should probably just go ahead and upgrade the UCAs. The brake dive is particularly bad.
     
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    If they really tried to align it you need UCAs to get it in spec at a minimum.
     
  25. Jul 15, 2021 at 10:41 AM
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    I'm afraid neither the dealer you took it to, or the place they took it to, knows how to align your truck.
     
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    I actually find that the TRD Pro Fox setup is reasonably decent, and the truck handles pretty tightly with minimal body roll and nose dive. I mean, it is still a truck, but you can drive it hard and not feel like you're going to lose control in curves and on braking. That said, high-quality aftermarket makes sense too, if you didn't buy it that way.
     
  27. Jul 15, 2021 at 11:18 AM
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    Yeah, that makes sense, I don't have a TRD Pro.
     
  28. Jul 15, 2021 at 12:48 PM
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    You want them to adjust the caster as high as the stock upper control arms will allow. If the geometry created by the spacer lift will not allow a higher caster with the stock upper control arms, you might have to replace them with aftermarket UCAs that will compensate to allow for a higher caster value. If they can't get the caster within the spec for the vehicle, the dealership should pay for that. Since your vehicle is lifted a caster of around 4.0 degrees, above the factory spec, would be ideal for your lifted height. Higher caster will also help keep the tires from rubbing on the body mounts.
    https://www.tirebuyer.com/education/how-does-caster-affect-driving
     
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    Correct. I lifted mine at 800 miles with an Ironman FoamCell Pro + UCAs. Had an alignment done immediately afterward, but the drive to the alignment place was spooky.

    Now it's all dialed in and all good.
     
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