Why Toyota doesn't behave like Jeep and others?

Jeep put a V8 in the Wrangler to stomp the Bronco. Ram supercharged the Rebel into TRX to stomp the Raptor. Ford will surely come up with something to beat the TRX. Wrangler even has a Diesel.

Why Toyota doesn't do something outrageous? I get pissed sometimes. Toyota is a giant company. They should do some outrageous things too. Supercharge the 5.7 in the Tundra. Put the 5.7 in the 4Runner. Supercharge the 4.0L and put it in the Supra. Why not put the 5.7 in a TRD Camry. And things like that.
Why they don't do such things?

I will personally not buy such outrageous things but some people will buy. And I want to see these products from Toyota

 

I genuinely think it’s the corporate culture in the US more than anything.

 

Not required- People will flock to, and buy their vehicles as is. I agree though, it would be cool to see some different offerings in performance. I think a “Prime” 4Runner would be cool. The Rav4 Prime acceleration is insane… I couldn’t imagine a 4Runner with a similar hybrid setup!

 

How dare TOYOTA put all their effort into reliability and ignore publicity stunts!

 

Yeah, but they can make a few unreliable ones. No?

 

They're called Supras and they're letting Subaru screw it up so they have plausible deniability.

Otherwise, no, you don't screw up your name to promote trash. Other car makers do it because they suck at making cars and need a gimmick to boost sales.

 

I didn't know why Toyota lets others make Supras for them. BMW this time LMAO.

 

A reputation for being reliable *sometimes* just doesn't have the same impact.

 

I would love the 5.7L in my 2022 4 runner, would pay extra off the bat. Screw MPG.

 

The Supra is a BMW. The FR-S/86 is a Subaru. Apparently, Toyota has no interest in ever developing a sports car again, unless it's a Lexus.

Yup, the BMW Supra, and the Subaru 86. It's disappointing, especially to those of us who waited 20+ years for the Supra to come back.

 

As far as the topic at hand..

Like some said above, they don't need to. Other companies do stuff like that to sell vehicles. Toyota can't keep these things on the lot, and they haven't changed anything (significant) in over 10 years. Why would they bother with the R&D?

And, some here do complain about the 4Runner, and say they need to do this or that. But, here they are, on a 4Runner forum. If they really wanted a Jeep, Ford, etc, they would be on those forums.

Edit: That said, I wouldn't bitch if the next 4Runner came with 35's and long travel.

 

It is simple Stellantis (DCX) whatever you want to call them make some sweet looking and cool vehicles with a large V8 Hemi; reliability is obviously questionable; but man are they sweet!

With the push for higher efficiency though even they are getting rid of the Hemi engines due to pressures; so there goes that fun. So if you want an old school classic American V8 engine I would buy it now because the roar will not be the same in future vehicles.

Similarly if you want a reliable old school Toyota 4.0 V6 I would buy it now because its going bub bye also due to the push for efficiency. As noted above also by thatbassguy Toyota sells out and has great margins so they themselves dont need to offer a bigger engine. People I believe buy this for durability.

Its all sad really, I have V6 older Accord as an every day car and its not a sports car but the engine/exhaust have a nice sound and it can be fun to drive. When I get in a new Accord with a 1.5 or 2.0l 4 Cylinder it is simply not the same. The car can be quick but it sounds like garbage especially when you hammer it.

Sadly I think the days of getting "fun" cars to drive are slowly going away here and we will be forced to get vehicles that are extremely expensive and boring at the same time.

 

I don't think it's about being "forced" at all. That keeps coming up in these threads, but we can't say that the government isn't letting us have big V8 engines in a thread about so many manufacturers using these big V8 engines. They're out there, they're being used, let's not act so oppressed.

I think the Accord issue you mentioned is market demand. Yeah, people want the faster, more efficient vehicle. You can barely hear most new cars anyway, so the sound of an Accord just isn't a huge consideration for most buyers.

 

Yes! Every time this comes up, people blame it on CAFE, etc. Yet, other manufacturers are doing it. Hell, even Lexus (Toyota) is doing it with the RC-F, etc.

 

Whats not being discussed are the changes that ARE coming to Toyota. In 10 years time, these rigs will have design changes:

Electric. More power, more torque, more fun, but at the massive expense electric is right now. And energy storage is the biggest obstacle right now. 400 miles before you have to sit for 12 hours for a charge.

High end tech. In another thread someone complained he didn't get all of the bells and whistles other cars have. I bought a car to drive, not to drive me. When you live in a non metro area, being able to drive yourself is important and enjoyable. Urban asshats however are so preoccupied with their latest tech, they crash at much higher rates. The DOT data does not ask the right question. The data touts rural driving to be more deadly than urban, but it does not take into account speed variables, semi truck miles driven in each area or sleep deprivation.

Jeep and Ford. What do they have in common? Old school guys making marketing decisions based off of flawed research. The 392 in the Rubicon is cool, but as a former JKU x 3 owner, I'll never go back. A 392 Gladiator ticked all the boxes for me, except proven reliability. I bought and built out my rig for a 10 week trip to Patagonia. When I can't reliably go 3 tanks of gas without a mechanical issue (always based around poor 3rd party parts), it was time to review options and 4Runner was the way to go. So why spend all of that extra money on R&D when others are not overly successful doing it themselves?

 

Thankfully, Toyota avoids the game of one-upmanship you referenced in your original post. Jeep trumps Dodge trumps Ford, etc. As someone mentioned, those gimmicks are done to sell vehicles that otherwise wouldn't sell as well based solely on their standard merits. I've owned maybe 15-20 vehicles in my life, and not one of them was purchased because it could outrun everyone else. I think most people are like that, with a tiny percentage being performance-driven buyers. Toyota sells reliability first.

 

Agreed.. They won't want Toyota to be bigger than Ford or GM.

 

Got it. My bad. Probably repressed that in my head.

Ugh. BMW.

 

These types of things really have me wondering about Toyota lately.

 

lol, my friends V8 ram gets better mileage than my V6

 

An old friend who has been a mechanic on beemers for decades said NEVER buy a used BMW.

 

Yeah but that piece of shit will spend many months of its life in repair shops and your Toyota won’t.

 

Oh agreed!! Lol. I make fun of him daily for having a ram.

 

i had 220k miles on my 03 M3 when I sold it. Zero issues. Don’t get me wrong. Maintenance was INSANE. A lot of people don’t realize that when you buy a $13k BMW it still needs to be maintained at the original price tag ($56 k for my slick top)

 

Only thing more expensive than a NEW Beemer is a USED Beemer.

 

ahhh the good ol' e46. Makes me miss mine too!

 

This is why. A genius philosophy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E793WS72aU

 

At this point, the 5th Gen 4runner is all profit. They recovered their investment years ago, and they still sell all they can make. Why disrupt the line to make limited editions, the extra profit is probably marginal compared to the expense of production.

I'd guess both the 86 and the Supra are low volume vehicles that might never recover their investment, unless they share that cost. So, enter the partners. I'm surprised the 86/FR-S is still on the market.

 

I'm sure you're right. But, it made the Supra a huge let-down to me and I'm sure others as well. Out of the two, I'd rather have the 86. Aside from needing more power, they seem pretty nice to me. And, a turbo can fix the power issue.