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Why a 1st year car is a risk

Discussion in 'General 4Runner Talk' started by Cowboy59, Feb 11, 2022.

  1. Feb 17, 2022 at 10:00 AM
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    K-Paul

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    Agreed!!!

    The Nissans of the late 80's were unbelievable machines. Way ahead of their time. I think when the Altima came out that's when things went downhill.
     
  2. Feb 17, 2022 at 10:49 AM
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    Walk into the service area of a Honda/Toyota dealership and then do the same with a GM/Ford dealer, just look at the sheer number of vehicles in for service at any given time.
     
  3. Feb 17, 2022 at 11:01 AM
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    LandCruiser I have Toyotas

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    I am very puzzled by the statement, because every Honda and Toyota dealership I’ve gone to has been massive and there are a shit ton of cars there at any given time, just like at every GM and Ford dealership.

    Even the tiny Toyota dealer around here has two overflow lots and the service line is always backed up.
     
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    I have had the opposite experience. Typically the Honda/Toyota service areas by me have far less vehicles in the service area.
     
  5. Feb 17, 2022 at 11:09 AM
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    Probably depends on location, etc. I've had all 8 oil changes on my 2019 done at the dealership (I know, I know), and they're never backed up. I think a good portion of those who are there are in for scheduled maintenance. Then again, we're in a semi-rural area.
     
  6. Feb 17, 2022 at 11:13 AM
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    LandCruiser I have Toyotas

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    And I lived in urban Colorado and California.

    It may have something to do with the fact that people in these areas tend to buy more Toyotas and Hondas.

    I would go to the Porsche dealership in Colorado Springs and they were moderately busy, go to a Porsche dealership in the bay area and it’s as busy as any major dealership.
     
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    Hey LandCruiser, I know you're a Porsche fan. Did you hear about the cargo ship headed from Germany to Rhode Island that is crewless and ablaze in the Atlantic? Carrying Porsches, maybe other marques. At least they rescued the crew.
     
  8. Feb 17, 2022 at 11:18 AM
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    LandCruiser I have Toyotas

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    Thankfully I don’t have a car on that ship, but I’m sure a lot of people with custom orders are pissed right now.
     
  9. Feb 17, 2022 at 11:37 AM
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    I think the biggest difference would be if you found out what they're all in there for. I believe you'd find a much higher number of domestic cars in for electrical and serious mechanical problems while the jap cars are largely, (not totally) in for maintenance. I know back in the 80's when I left a Gm dealer and went to a Nissan dealer I was very pleasantly surprised in the difference. Made a bunch of money on 15K, 30K 60K services etc. While at the GM dealer I can remember many times getting stuck on horrible diagnostic nightmares. To be fair though domestics have improved greatly since then. Still not to the level of Japanese quality though, by a long shot.
     
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    Seriously?

    The only country that buys more cars overall is China, and we know their environmental regulations are not as tight as ours. On top of that, the U.S. bought almost 2 million Toyotas last year (only about 12,000 less than China).

    The U.S. fuel efficiency standards are the primary reason for V8s going away.
     
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  11. Feb 17, 2022 at 3:46 PM
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    TDRProDave Here for the gear

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    Yeah, he can be entertaining but he plays the YouTube clickbait game which I find annoying so I blocked him from my YT feed. He basically said going away from the V8 is why there are problems with the new Tundra. I do wonder how things will go with the Tundra TRD Pros with the Hybrid engines? Toyota has that technology down cold so I would hope the Pros would be more reliable. Plus the electric engines give you more horsepower and torque and who doesn't love those things?
     
  12. Feb 17, 2022 at 7:29 PM
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    At some point, the bean counters have the last $$$ay, they think.

    R&D, Engineering, Design, and all the way to Tool & Die crews. are told to stop at some point.

    And that's just "in house" stuff.

    State & Federal chime in with their concerns.

    The Corporations only think profit.

    But truly in the end, we as consumers have the last say. We buy or we don"t.
     
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    My friend"s 2019 RAV4 had some problems. The front differential I think, they fixed it for him under warranty
     
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    Our beloved 4Runner will no longer be a 4Runner :(
     
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    Did they increase the Tundra price by $10,000?
     
  16. Mar 3, 2022 at 9:10 PM
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    $5,000 a year is less than $100 a week. Find a little side gig that pays $100 a week, and keep the Beloved 4.0 L
     
  17. Mar 4, 2022 at 3:59 PM
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    Now people buy Nissan because they are less expensive
     
  18. Mar 4, 2022 at 4:53 PM
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    Most of Scotty’s opinions on Toyotas is exactly what my mechanic has always told me. Toyota or Honda if you want issues before 150/200k.
     
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