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Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010-2024)' started by Yoytota, Jun 14, 2022.

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Base 6th Gen 4Runner

  1. All Electric $65k

  2. Hybrid Turbo 4 Cylinder 10 speed $48k

  3. It ain't broke so don't f****** fix it $38k

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  1. Jun 30, 2022 at 10:51 PM
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    4runningMan

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    I’ve had a half dozen Tacoma’s and 3 4Runners over the last 20 years. Oil changes and spark plugs were the only expenses I had over hundreds of thousands of miles. I don’t buy the “generally more reliable than their ice counterparts” claim. In fact, the claim itself sounds suspect.
     
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  2. Jul 1, 2022 at 3:39 AM
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    If I had 9 Jeeps over 20 years, I'd think Jeeps were reliable, too.
     
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  3. Jul 1, 2022 at 3:40 AM
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    :worthless:
     
  4. Jul 1, 2022 at 3:54 AM
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    It’s really shrunk up now I gotta get to some chlorine.
     
  5. Jul 1, 2022 at 3:59 AM
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    I also have had a lot of jeeps … And 4Runners and Land Cruisers … Jeeps are just a toy . I just traded in a 2021 Gladiator Diesel Rubicon , was a Lemon , had the VM Italian diesel I tried to love , I have the same diesel in a 2021 Wrangler JLU Rubicon and has been very dependable I’m getting 22MPG around town with 35’s .
    Compared to my current 2022 TRD pro 4runner the jeep just a Toy .
    I have a 2020 LC200 land cruiser and I actually like my 4runner better than the LC200 , just more user friendly , the LC200 have lost its heritage of the land cruiser linage , you have to use a touch screen to control just about everting thing is one of my biggest complaints .
    I love my 4runner , just solid vehicle , I see lots of guys trade in the 4runners for jeeps and have buyers regrets a few months later because they are just a toy .
     
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  6. Jul 1, 2022 at 6:31 AM
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    I bought a ATV for my off-road itch a while ago, after beating my daily driver vehicles off road and paying to much in parts and body damage, call me lame but I treat my new 4 runner like a new corvette...paid way to much to beat on it. + 4 wheelers can go more places (by me that is as NY sucks)
     
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  7. Jul 1, 2022 at 6:53 AM
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    I do the same thing ATV’s are way cheaper to off-road . I don’t mind EV or even a EV ATV , I have a had a few electric vehicles and do like them , just get the best battery , I read Toyota , Subaru and VW are working a on a super battery for 2024 .
    Being bled dry buy the cost to live is not going to motivate people to buy a EV , people are just going to cut back on driving unless they really need to which is fine because I see more traffic on the road now than before covid 2019 , it really is crazy , its not like there going to work either , all day long traffic … nobody works any more ?
     
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  8. Jul 1, 2022 at 7:21 AM
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    It's hard to believe that hybrids would be more reliable than either straight ICE or straight EV, simply because of the added complexity. Yet in the real world hybrids seem to do quite well. The Prius is one of the only cars on the list of vehicles with high percentages exceeding 200K miles. (The other is the Toyota Avalon). You can chalk this up to Toyota's generally high quality, but regardless it shows that hybrids can make it for the long haul.

    Time will tell for sure how things play out with EVs and reliability. Certainly they are simpler in most ways. How that translates into the real world? They look pretty good so far, but the proof will be in the pudding.
     
  9. Jul 1, 2022 at 7:32 AM
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    Nope there’s still some Brandon bucks going around I am sure (sorry I had to), why work when you can make more staying home...we have been short staffed at my place of employment ( state job, chilled water plant) they pay isn’t that appetizing to start off but you have the best benefits you can ever get. Not one person applied since may. But who cares about time off and good cheap health insurance when someone else gives it to you to stay home. Only + to this is I get all the over time I want which helps during these times. Same with the traffic where I am in Western NY. Unless people are in massive amounts of debt I don’t get how people live so lavish doing the bare minimum while I work my ass off. No debt here except the 4 runner payment and my mortgage. No vacations or kids either though. Have to make more time to enjoy the 4 wheeler...I highly recommend the Suzuki King Quad 750. Japanese perfected that quad just like the 4 runner.
     
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  10. Jul 1, 2022 at 8:22 AM
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    Informative test of the F150 Lightning here. Shows its amazing performance, capability and S-Class levels of quiet -- and a user experience that in other ways is very similar to regular F150s.

    However, two key tidbits:

    1. They conducted their standard highway MPG test, driving a steady 75 mph for 200 miles. Result was 230 miles of range on the trim that is EPA rated for 300 miles (lower trim models are rated at 320).

    2. Towing a 5100 pound trailer at 70 mph reduced the range to 130 miles, and so they noted that realistically towing would require recharges about every 100 miles.

    All of the above would work well for me, as I would still have ICE vehicles in the stable. But it does highlight that it may take the next generation of batteries, and better charging infrastructure, before widespread adoption becomes feasible for pickup truck owners. I think we're already there for many commuters who would otherwise be driving econo boxes, but trucks like this are for hauling big loads and towing etc. So these ranges would pinch a lot of users.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a40393084/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-by-the-numbers/
     
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  11. Jul 1, 2022 at 8:45 AM
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    That's what my daughter and son-in-law do. They trailer their 4-passenger ATV with the Tacoma to wherever they are going to off-road. The rest of the gear in the truck's bed with a locked cover. Could be the best of both Worlds for many.
     
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  12. Jul 1, 2022 at 8:49 AM
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    I've noticed this too. Where is all this weekday, daytime traffic coming from ? They can't ALL be retired (like me LOL).
     
  13. Jul 1, 2022 at 2:13 PM
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  14. Jul 1, 2022 at 2:25 PM
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    What are these unemployment benefits that are so good that people can just drive around all day long? Seriously, I want to know. I'm not being judgy. I want to find out more.
     
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  15. Jul 1, 2022 at 2:43 PM
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    It’s a myth. During the height of the pandemic unemployment was made more generous, extended in duration and could be obtained by gig workers who were not ordinarily eligible. This indeed created a situation where some people felt they were better off not working, in addition to preventing hunger and homelessness for many who wanted to work but could not during a period of massive unemployment. This was enacted during the prior administration. It expired during the current administration. It has not existed for more than 9 months.
     
  16. Jul 3, 2022 at 8:00 PM
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    I heard they’re gettin one of those Green machines (not Army) in at my local Toyota dealership. And it’s 50k.
     
  17. Jul 3, 2022 at 8:31 PM
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    So I asked her If I could get $25k trade in value on my 3rd Gen?
     
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  18. Jul 4, 2022 at 10:35 AM
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  19. Jul 4, 2022 at 10:37 AM
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    Unfortunately, the necessary market correction may come courtesy of a recession.

    A lot of really good and affordable cars are being made. There are actually many solid choices in the 20-25K range (eg the AWD Subaru Impreza starts at 20K, the roomy and capable Forester starts at 25K, and the AWD Maverick comes nicely equipped at 25K). There are even real trucks starting around 30K (eg the base F150 and Tacoma). You just can't find any of them on dealer lots!!! That too won't be fixed without a big change in market dynamics. The dealers have us by the b*lls right now. Ugh.
     
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    Less for more is the new norm with cars, food, energy, and everything its a painful transisition.
     
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  22. Jul 5, 2022 at 5:39 AM
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    Same here. I got $1,000 more for my rav on trade-in then I paid for it 3 years earlier. They goosed me $1,400 on some over-priced addons on the 4R. I did very well and I'm driving a vehicle I'm crazy about. Yes, the mpg is atrocious. I don't care.
     
  23. Jul 5, 2022 at 5:54 AM
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    I don't think it's necessarily really that simple. In my case I was never happy with my rav's new 8 speed trans and Toyota couldn't really 100% smooth it out. I hit the market at the perfect time for trade-in vs price. All dollars in, I am positive I actually ended up better than normal times because of what I got for trade-in on a car I owed nothing on. I admit, however, without the money I got for the trade-in I may have just had to live with it. Looking back, I wished I'd bought a 19 4R instead of that rav.
     
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  24. Jul 5, 2022 at 7:11 AM
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    I intentionally bought a 5th gen before they are gone, absolutely no consideration of a Subaru or the like. I keep vehicles a long time and after seeing what a neighbor has gone through with his Subaru reinforced my opinion. You can’t pull a head without pulling the engine, cam belt replacement……not for me.
     
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    Yeah I hated the tech on my Outback Wilderness. Drove great on highway and off road, but the CVT is a fail.
     
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    CVT is total garbage across the board. Doesn't matter if its Subaru, Nissan, Ford.... none of them are any good. Once the drive band screws up, the damage is much more catastrophic than with gear driven transmissions. The fact they haven't improved them in 10 years and continue to use them(because they are cheaper to produce) is especially worrisome. Of course until you actually need to buy a replacement $$$. It's obviously about the bottom dollar, but I certainly wouldn't own one out of warranty.
     
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    Agreed re CVT. Glad Subaru offers a manual on the Impreza and Crosstrek. Shame they no longer do on the Forester. We had one of those — good vehicle.

    Personally I wouldn’t be dissuaded by engine maintenance issues as those motors do seem to last pretty long. But if someone is afraid of Subarus there are other choices in these price ranges. The Honda Civic SI looks like a hoot to drive, efficient and practical too. Under 30k. And all the Hyundais and Kias come with 10 year 100 k warranties.

    Of course, as mentioned, trying to find one on dealer lots is a nightmare.
     
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    Sure, there are less expensive vehicles if you don't have specific needs. I always get a kick out of the folks who say Tacomas are so much cheaper than a 4Runner when, in fact, it's not really that significant of a difference once you try to compare apples to apples.

    And, the newer Civic SI is ugly as fuck. That is, unless you really like Star Wars...

    ban991407_1_grande.jpg


    Edit:. I just saw that they redid the Civic SI and it actually looks decent. But, with only 200 HP in this day and age, who cares anymore?
     
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    One-at-this-price stripper. Bought new 33 yrs ago, a $13K leftover. Added Detroit TruTrac, 1”rear spring spacer and “pinstripes”… Factory AC kit and roof rack bought at dealer cost at time of purchase, still blows ice cold 32yrs later. 2022 AG ORP all stock.
    I know some KIA owners and the touted warranty doesn’t mean the dealers are eager to back it up. They have told me it is like pulling teeth to get the dealers to act. You get what you pay for. There is a reason Toyotas hold their value.
     
  30. Jul 5, 2022 at 8:33 AM
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    I had a 2016 Subaru Crosstrek for five years / 92,000 miles and I thought it was a good little car. My wife didn't like it and my three boys called it my lesbian car. My mechanic buddy said it was good that I got rid of it before it hit 100,000 miles.

    My mechanic buddy owns a auto repair shop and he is having a banner year(s). He said he has never seen people invest so heavily on ten year old cars. Cars that would be traded-in in past are now being repaired with long term repairs costing up to $6,000. He said that never happened in the past.
     
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