Those with the Magnuson Supercharger...

I don't know for a fact but the experts say that Procharger makes more power the Magnuson unit. There are more tacomas with the procharget than 4R. The thing with Magnuson is that these units seem to run a little colder and that's why they are able to offer 3 yr warranty on the unit and the 4R itself, so something there. I think the asthetic's of the Maggie are better than the procharger. And Magnuson has done more marketing as well and I don't see the other guys going at it either. That's what I see....I could be wrong though.

 

The procharger probably makes less low end power and more high end power than the mag due to how those centrifugal blowers work. with procharger you need to relocate the primary battery and it takes up a lot more space in the engine bay.

The procharger probably has possible pulley upgrades and more potential if you want to drag race or something. Mag seems to be already about maxed out from factory other than optimized tuning.

If you aren't doing tons of mods like dual battery, winch etc procharger would make more power for fast highway driving. If you want better low end but less top end power and OEM like fit/finish and to maintain engine bay space the mag is better.

 

I just wish that someone made a charger like the Magnuson, but without the air-to-water manifold and cooler that requires a pump (easier to install). Just the blower with a typical FMIC that doesn't require a cooler pump would be a good alternative.

 

Wouldn't that be a poor man's cold air intake?

 

All of the roots style blowers are integrated into the intake manifold of cars. either they run air to water coolers or no cooler at all. air to air intercoolers only work on external blower units such as procharger, vortech or rotrex.

 

What was the reason you got rid of the explorer st? They had one at the dealer when I was checking out a raptor. I thought it was pretty cool looking, are they problematic like ever other ford?

 

The 5th gen 4R is the end of an era, so I figured I should get one before they're all replaced by the 6th gen. I'll be retiring for good in a couple of years, and I think the 4R will be a better choice as my last new car as opposed to the ST. I didn't have any issues with my ST over 27K miles, changed the oil and rotated the tires every 5K miles, and I didn't drive it like I stole it. I've owned two previous 2.7 Ecoboost Fords (Fusion Sport and an F150), and never had any issues with either one. The 3.0 is a bigger 2.7, as opposed to a smaller 3.5, so that definitely worked in its favor.

 

Here's a good video of a high mile long term review of the Magnuson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB2BjK_iSmo&t=19s

 

And here is a review of the Magnuson on an already high mileage Limited that's been converted in Canada:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF9M0MyJlBA&t=902s

 

I've been thinking about getting one and after reading first page of warranty I knew it would be an act of God to get anything warranted. You just have to decide if the outcome is worth the risk. Magnuson is pretty much a solid power source albeit overly priced just know going in you're pretty much on your own. What gets me is the boast about how someone with moderate skills can do it in their garage in a weekend but like you point out void the warranty

 

Trust me, having an air to air is a royal PITA on a 4runner

 

I did the Magnuson install on my 4Runner. What makes you think not having an air to water system is easier? The installation of the electric pump, hoses and inter-cooler took me maybe 30 minutes. If that aspect is giving you pause, I strongly suggest you consider having a professional install whatever you decide.

 

Because you don't have to remove the intake manifold with a system like the Procharger, or wire up a pump for the air-to-water intercooler...

 

Virtually every maintenance task requires you to pull the intercooler plumbing or the entire head unit with the procharger setup.

Alternator? Pull the headunit off.

A broken serpentine belt on the trail turns into a serious struggle. Hope you didn't create any intake/boost leaks. It becomes massively worse if you are running the belt super tight.

The saving grace with the procharger setup is that you can yank the whole thing off in about 10 minutes for a lot of these tasks.

 

If designed correctly, air-to-water intercoolers are much more efficient for multiple reasons. The shorter the piping is the less lag there is, and cooling efficiency is better. Water conducts heat 25x faster than air, so it makes the system much more efficient and can be smaller. Also removing the intake manifold is like 8 bolts so it's not that difficult. Centrifugal superchargers are also not ideal for low speed offroad use at low RPM's. They would be nice in a baja type truck, but not in situations with most use below 3k rpm's.

 

Meh, there's a YouTube video of a long term review where after many miles the belt pulley failed while way out on the trail. His 4Runner still drove just fine till he got to a local parts store.

The saving grace with the Magnuson is it develops power far lower where you actually need/want it. The procharger is great if you always maintain much higher RPM than the Maggie. There are many high mileage, long term reviews of the 4Runner with a magnuson. I haven't seen any long term reviews of a 4Runner with a Pro-charger. YMMV

If you think you'll like a Pro-charger more than a Maggie, please do it and give us your first hand thoughts on your 4Runner.

 

I have experience installing both the Procharger and the mag on 4runners

My post was pointing out how much of a pain the air to air ic is to deal with on the procharger.

No ones getting off the trail with a broken serpentine belt

 

You are incorrect. The Magnuson supercharger for the 4Runner uses an independent serpentine belt completely separate from the OEM belt.

Skip to 1:31 in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB2BjK_iSmo

 

I was referring to the oem serpentine belt, I've installed both a procharger and a Magnuson on a 4runner and am unfortunately too familiar with their belt setups.

The Magnuson has the better package for an off-road vehicle all around, there's too much flopping around with the pc air to air intercooler was my original point.

Arguably the Magnuson is also easier to install.

 

I called Toyota recently and they said they would not install this for me and never heard of it. Which one did you go to?

 

Regear to 4.88 instead, it is less expensive and does the job. My truck with 4.88 tears through mountain passes

 

Don’t go to the dealer for aftermarket parts. They don’t even know factory parts.

 

Where can one learn more about this re-gear thing. Does it give you more torque, is it ok to do with stock size tires, etc...

 

4Runner is a heavy truck and 3.73 gear ratio from factory is pretty pathetic. I wouldn't mind regearing a stock 4Runner. Look into 4.56. I went 4.88 because I have armor and large tires

 

https://expeditionportal.com/why-you-want-to-re-gear-especially-modern-4x4s/

 

It's not that heavy. Based on when I installed mine I'd guess about 75 lbs.

 

Regearing does not give you more torque or HP. However it is an excellent solution if you've added significant weight to your rig i.e. serious overlanding etc. Many people do this and are happy with the outcome. Just keep in mind, whatever your 5th gear RPM is on the highway/road, the RPM is going to be higher. Regearing isn't cheap by any means but it is much less than a supercharger.

If you want more torque and HP, then a supercharger is the way to go. For me (I'm not loaded down with a lot of extra weight) the supercharger was the way to go. Much reduced gear hunting and much more actual power.

 

Lol.......This for the win Gears ain't gonna do that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPP8P6A2M7s

 

To do it properly, you need both supercharger and regear. 4Runner is undergeared. So do the less expensive regear first. You will be surprised how it changes this truck. I paid $2300 for the regear

 

Regearing has it's own benefits and is a great mod, but it's not really the same thing.

This is like a person ordering a steak at a restaurant and the waiter bringing out a burger patty. Sure they're kinda the same, but they aren't substitutes for one another.