The only opinion that matters

It's but a small symptom of a society that doesn't value what has proven to to work, but instead worship "new" things that don't fundamentally contribute to the purpose and eager to toss out all the institutional knowledge built over the years.

The older I get, the more I understand the Mennonites.

 

So your truck is the apex of 4Runner evolution. Anything built afterwards is downhill. Gotcha. Where have I heard that before?

 

Well, any before 2020/Covid. It's all out there to see for yourself. And not just Toyota/4Runner.

Hopefully things get better.

 

Don't waste your time on him, anytime anyone says anything that doesn't praise the latest and greatest, he takes it personally for some reason.

 

No system is completely infallible, but the percentage of reported failures is miniscule compared to how many were built and sold.

The exact quote from the CCN video about KDSS was "which was nothing but problems, when the problems start." On the other hand, he also said "join me in NOT mourning the Xreas suspension. It was terrible, it costs thousands to fix, and it fails regularly."

For some reason, the member you quoted has been on a crusade to warn people about KDSS for years, with no personal experience with the system. On the other hand, he has had Xreas, which the CCN said will not be missed, but this same person has not warned anyone to avoid Xreas at all costs like he has KDSS. I've seen scores of threads about Limited owners asking about replacing Xreas with aftermarket due to the high replacement cost.

 

So i have to listen to his, and yours? Odd how that works eh???

EDIT- The 6th gen is a turd dude. There is a opinion. (that matters,. Mine)

 

i think the reason ADM doenst hate the xreas system as much as KDSS is that xreas system is a closed system. you can literally pull the shocks and abandon the main component of the xreas system in place and put in regular shocks in place of the special shocks for the xreas.

and since you can abandon the xreas in place and its a closed system, it will not throw any codes that it has failed or not working. it a pure mechanical setup with not a single tie into any sensors (i think)

 

I took Ahmed's commentary on KDSS/XREAS seriously. If he says it's a complicated expensive system then it is. I made sure my ORP didn't have KDSS, rather avoid it tbh.

 

... CCN has literal video of him taking apart and putting together engines like they're Legos... I value the opinion of an expert more than some keyboard warrior on the internet. Yes, the 6th gen isn't the good old trusty and reliable like our 5th gens are... but this 6th gen is a good replacement.

 

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Not really understanding the talk about the reliability of the 6th gen. What info are you going by? Has anyone even hit 10k on the odo yet?


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The same engine has been used already for like about 5-6 years so far in both Lexus and Toyotas... and according to CCN it's been very reliable. All he recommends is 5k oil changes and more basic maintenance more often than what we do to our 1GR-FEs

 

My post was more directed at the talk about the reliability of the 6th gen 4 Runner in general, not just the engine. I think we're all hoping for reliability in these, big reason I went with Toyota in the first place.

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There's a lot of speculation. But, nobody really knows yet. I'm hoping it will be solid, but not sure it will maintain the bulletproof status of previous generations.

 

I don't know how many people have actually looked at the 2.4T in person, but one thing I can say is the number of people who can work on it at home is going to be a lot less than the older motors. I consider myself somewhat familiar with Toyota motors and I am not 100% comfortable taking that thing apart. At least changing spark plugs won't be as bad as wit the 3.4L turbo V6, that one is a real doozy. I helped friends rebuilding the old NA3.4L v6 and the 3.slow on some occasions so I know my way around the engine bay.

With so much wiring, plastic connectors and harnesses, and electronics, there is a lot of room for even professional mechanics to screw up something when in a hurry.

 

Kids these days will never know how easy old cars were to work on.

Even the 1GR has a few extra steps to change the spark plugs. It's not too bad, though.

I've never rebuilt a motor, but I've assisted in a few swaps, and done a few of my own. Bought a 1st gen MR2 with a bad motor and installed a low mileage used one from SOKO. Drove that until the transmission finally let go from the abuse.

Also got a 6MG from SOKO for my '85 Supra. I still miss that car.

 

I’m not a fan of how the CCN likes how there are no skid plates because it’s easier to work on and a limited isn’t going off-road. WTF? What if you hit some debris on the road or blast through a snow bank at the end of your driveway. Don’t you want some protection for your $60K vehicles most important parts?

 

My favorite car to tinker around on and show my kids how to turn a wrench is my 4th gen Camry with the 5S-FE. For whatever reason stars aligned on that one and the actual oil filer sits facing up right on the block itself, as you open the hood, like you can't miss it if you tried. I think that motor dates back to the 80s so it wasn't much more complex than the 22R.

I agree about the 1GR, it is not the simplest motor around compared to the older stuff especially with all the emissions control system and VVTi stuff. Alas.

 

I have noticed that he is no longer as opinionated about stuff as he used to be. Must come with the territory as his channel gets bigger and more popular, I imagine there is more involved in the background than somebody yelling into the cloud like Scotty.

 

He still is, look at the review of the BMW I4 M50 GC... he pretty much trashed in the nicest way possible. Kinda like his review of the BZ4X.

 

I know the 5S-FE went in the 2nd gen non-turbo MR2, and possibly the '86-89(?) Celica before that. It was around for awhile. Good motor!

Edit: I was wrong. It wasn't in the Celica until the '90's.

The early 1GR (at least the version in my '15 Tacoma) had a top mount oil filter. Super easy oil changes on that truck!

 

Xreas rides better than anything else available for a 4Runner
ANYTHING else you can put on a 4runner rides more harsh, and more unruly than the OEM Xreas setup. From an on-road comfort standpoint the stock Xreas is the best riding system there is. Sure it costs a fortune to replace it front to back, thats why so many go aftermarket but the Xreas is worth keeping as long as you can because its the best riding setup you will find.
My 2008 4R rode like a dream and i never knew it was the Xreas till the day it finally clapped out. Whats worse was when i installed "the best setup other than Xreas" i was sorely disappointed. So much so i replaced the front shocks 2 more times, and even swapped in the stock springs vs other springs and nothing rode as good as the Xreas shocks. I eventually ended up with the TRD Offroad tacoma shocks and springs and while they are good in their own accord, they still dont have quite the same on-road manners as the stock Xreas.
I own a 2012 Limited with 230,000 and it still has the stock Xreas that isnt leaking and i will run them till they day they die.
I own a 2023 TRD Sport with the Xreas and i dont plan to swap them out at all. That thing takes the parking lot speed bumps at the soccer complex like an absolute champ. At 20-30mph its like a dream blip blip.

 

I recall a few years back he threw abundant shade at the previous sequoia for the plastic components around the motor being not as nice looking as those same 5.7L V8 vehicles made in Japan.

If that CCN was review the newer 4runners or Land Cruiser he would lose his mind.

 

I have nothing against the Xreas, and would never tell anyone to avoid it. What I do have issue with is someone on a rant against KDSS who has no experience with it.

I will bow out of this topic cluttering up a 6th gen discussion, which will never need to discuss Xreas or KDSS, as they are history.

 

What I do have issue with is someone on a rant against KDSS who has no experience with it. -
I least I'm out of that accusation since I have on and offroad seat time with 4Runner KDSS and Onroad seat time with GX460 KDSS.

Even trying to show better flex on KDSS but ended that video half way since I got frustrated rear having less flex than non kdss thinking I did something wrong. Then realized later its just the front have better flex and rear have less flex. Wish I didn't include that part in one of the videos I did. May be will do another one showing the better flex in front.

Also should do a KDSS cleaning video before my buddy sell his 4R. He was keeping an eye on new LC250 / 6th gen 4runner.

 

Here's another opinion. You opinion does not matter.

 

I agree he was a little bit harsher before, but at least with the newer cars he's probably accepting the fact the way forward is less cylinders + turbos + electric motors. I know we have a new less eco-friendly American administration but the EU is still there and automakers will keep pushing these more efficient technologies. Plus, he knows he's widely respected so he'd rather not push fans away by being overly critical. Just my $0.02

 

I think the bigger reason is that if you are too critical and negative then the manufacturers won’t give you vehicles to test or invite you on new vehicle reveal vacations.