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The beast has left the building...

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010-2024)' started by canadian.bacon, Oct 21, 2022.

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Given you can afford it, would you trade your 4R for an EV of your choice?

  1. Yes

    15.2%
  2. No

    71.7%
  3. Yes, once range and charging improve

    13.0%
  1. Nov 22, 2022 at 3:17 AM
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    Interesting look at electricity rates by state...

    https://quickelectricity.com/cost-of-electricity-per-kwh-by-state/

    Hawaii is the highest at $.40 per kWh. California is second at $.27. So, if you lived in California, the monthly cost of 475 kWh would cost you $130, which is still much cheaper than gas. If you only charge at home.

    However, the Supercharger stations cost $.58 per kWh during peak demand times, which is when most people are either trying to go to work, or coming home from work.

    https://teslanorth.com/2022/05/12/tesla-increases-supercharging-prices-in-california-and-beyond/

    So, that's now a $275 bill based on 475 kWhs.

    A Google search showed that the kWh usage of the Tesla Y is rated at 28 kWh per 100 miles, so your results are just barely a bit high, likely due to colder temps and hills.

    In California, it would cost $16.25 to travel 100 miles. If you had a comparable SUV, like an Acura RDX, which averages 24 mpg, then it would cost $27 to travel the same 100 miles at $6.50 per gallon.

    https://www.acura.com/2022/rdx

    Still coming out ahead with the EV. But, the RDX costs around $45k while the Model Y is around $70k.

    To save $25k in fuel, at the average of 1000 miles per month, and $110 in savings per month, it would take approximately 19 years to break even.
     
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  2. Nov 22, 2022 at 3:30 AM
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    Don’t forget to factor in the lack of maintenance costs.
     
  3. Nov 22, 2022 at 3:30 AM
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    I went to the dump last month with my utility trailer, which is listed at 993 lbs. But, it is lifted with bigger tires and a headache rack, so I would add 70 lbs. Call it 1,065 lbs.

    The total weight of the empty trailer, the 4Runner, plus me, and at least 100lbs of gear in the back was 6,280 lbs. I weigh 300 lbs, so minus me and the gear is around 400 lbs, so 5,880 lbs. Remove another 1,065 lbs for the trailer, and I am at around 4800 lbs for a lifted 4Runner with roof rack and 285s on custom rims.
     
  4. Nov 22, 2022 at 3:38 AM
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    Maintenance costs for the Acura that would be different for the Tesla would be what? Oil changes? Air filters? Both use tires, windshield wipers, cabin air filters, headlight bulbs, etc.

    However, the Tesla Model Y is known for wearing out tires at 20k miles or less, so tire costs are significantly higher. The Performance model is known to go through tires at less than 10k miles and are $500 each.
     
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  5. Nov 22, 2022 at 7:12 AM
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    tires every 10k, I don't see people accepting that. But, I was talking about the lack of oil changes. I have heard that Teslas do go through tires quicker, but I think that has more to do with driving styles, I know if I am not careful with the accelerator on our Rav4 Prime, it will tear up the tires.
    I am not an EV or bust type of person, but I think it's only fair to give them a chance. I will say, when you go months at a time never going to the gas station, that is a dam good feeling.
     
  6. Nov 22, 2022 at 8:29 AM
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    Don't forget the units, its KMs not Miles.

    I also wonder why Tesla doesn't give some of the maintenance items like transmission as they use the same transmission fluid. Same story for coolant maintenance. Seems to claim as "Life time" thing. May be minor things like "when DRLs burn out.." might be an interesting topic to search. (yes I picked "DRL" for a reason :)). Few more things about main battery as well but not interested as this is 4Runner forum..



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  7. Nov 22, 2022 at 9:02 AM
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    @kmeeg

    What do you mean by: "I also wonder why Tesla doesn't give some of the maintenance items like transmission as they use the same transmission fluid." ?

    For the battery coolant:
    "Your Battery coolant should not need to be replaced for the life of your vehicle under most circumstances. However, the touchscreen displays a message if there is an issue with the quantity of fluid in the cooling system. Stop driving Model Y as soon as safety permits and contact Tesla."
    "To maximize the performance and life of the Battery, the cooling system uses a specific mixture of G-48 ethylene-glycol coolant (HOAT). Contact Tesla for more specific information about the coolant."

    As for the tires, they are more expensive as they are 19" on low profile. It will be $1500 cad installed for Continental Vikings7 (we do pay 13% tax for the tires and for the service). I assume the 20" and 21" will be even more expensive. Plays the same on the 4R Limited, don't those have 20"? My last Ram 1500 was on 20" and winters were close to $2000 for a name brand.
    And changing them every so often, that relates to smiles per miles. I still grin like an idiot every time I push the pedal. Most of the time I drive normal, but here and there I do enjoy the torque. I'm sure it is the same for v8 Mustangs and all. There is a setting to change from standard to chill, this limits the power to the wheels. I never used it.
    Also, I am rarely, very rarely using the brake. I have days before I actually press the pedal in traffic. The regen stops the car and just holds the motors still till I touch the accelerator again. They call it one pedal driving. It's awkward at first, but you get accustomed to it very quick. Makes for a more relaxed drive. Lots of people manage to change their pads first at 120-125k miles.
     
  8. Nov 22, 2022 at 9:32 AM
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    Just checking about items like transmission service on Tesla not easily findable vs available on Tesla service technician checklist & online forums / youtube.

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  9. Nov 22, 2022 at 10:07 AM
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    @kmeeg I think only the model S '13 - '16 had that, none of the other ones have it. As far as I know where is some fluid for the reduction gear, but that is not the same as transmission, as there are no gears.

    Edit, found this:

    The Tesla gearbox is a set of reduction gears whereas a transmission has multiple gear sets allowing different output speeds as an engine goes through its revolutions. The Tesla gearbox uses a lubricant but transmission fluid is specific to automatic transmissions and it is not a lubricant. The gearbox has a filter and since it does not heat up like a conventional gasoline powered transmission Tesla does not specify a replacement schedule for this lubricant. Early Tesla service intervals called for replacing this lubricant at 500,000 mile intervals but the company no longer calls for it.
     
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  10. Nov 22, 2022 at 10:19 AM
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    Seems to be mismatch between this article (500,000 mile) vs what Tesla Service technicians check list (150,000 miles).

    Anyways I learn about this transmission from WeberAuto. That professor explains really well how Tesla motor+transmission work and how they differ from each model and trim. Its just for my learning as I'm very far from in the interest of buying. :)
     
  11. Nov 22, 2022 at 10:36 AM
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    Given how Toyota has very large intervals for the 5 speed, I would assume the Tesla gearbox to run way longer as there is no heat, no contaminants, no fumes, no gears.
    I found an older 2019 post about somebody who changed it at Tesla and labor was $78
     
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