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Offroading a Limited

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by Inverted, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. Mar 12, 2019 at 11:59 AM
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    I tried it this weekend. They tried putting General Grabber ATX 265/70/17s on my 2019 Limited with TRD Pro wheels. They rubbed. I was surprised too. But try this. With the stock 20-inch setup, turn the wheels full turn. Get out and try to fit your hand between the tire's edge and the fender/wheelwell. Typically, the middle knuckle of your middle finger (which averages 0.75 inch, but obviously varies) won't fit. Anyway, lots of people have tried it, if you were to spend hours searching through the whole forum, only to discover that most (not all -- it's rumored that BF Goodrich's run narrow -- turns out that the Tire Association standard allows for as much of an inch of variability among tires with the same, for example, 265/70/17, spec) brands of 265/70/17s (with that almost 1 inch extra width) rub, because the stock setup comes very, very close to filling up the space. Most tire stores (I went to America's Tires) have a for-any-reason return policy with some number of days, so they don't balk at trying to fit the 265/70/17s you want and taking them off if they rub. It's not just the extra width. It's also that the offset of the 20-inch wheel is 15mm, while the offset of the TRD Pro wheel is 4mm. That, plus the extra width, causes the rub. You can get wheels that are 8 inches wide (e.g. The Ultra Bolt) with an offset closer to the stock 15mm, and one from American Racing (the 921, I think) that has the same 15mm offset. Then you can have those tires. I wanted the TRD wheels more than the 265 tires, so I stuck with 275/75/17 tires on TRD Pro wheels.
     
  2. Mar 12, 2019 at 12:25 PM
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    Stoffroad, I think you ment to say you stuck with the 245/75/17?
     
  3. Mar 12, 2019 at 1:12 PM
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    Good to know mate. Thanks for the explanation
     
  4. Mar 12, 2019 at 1:17 PM
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    Short answer: yes ... Long answer: I was in a peculiar situation. I had not done my homework before the first tire purchase, which was buying the TRD wheels and putting Continental LT245/75/17s on them. I wasn't paying attention to the 52.3 lb weight of those tires. I was swayed by both Consumer Reports and Tire Rack rating the P (vs LT) versions very highly (1st and 2nd). But Continental (as, I now know, is the case with most tire manufacturers) allows an exchange for another of their tires within X days. So, since Continental owns General and General (but not Continental) had a non-LT (although still 44 lb) 265/70/17, I asked for that as my one-free exchange. Then, we discovered at the tires shop, that it rubbed. So, yes, for the time-being, I'm retreating to a 245/75/17 -- the Falken Wildpeak AT3W, because I'm still drawn to the aesthetic appeal of the TRD wheel and the Falken only weighs 41 lb. But, I intend to be more thoughtful this time around and fully explore my options, including seeing if anyone has had a good experience allowing a body shop trim the fenders (not the DIYs I've seen online) or selling the TRDs and getting a wheel, which accommodates the 265/70/17, without rubbing. I'm not 100% comfortable with lifting and spacing, etc, but maybe as I learn more, I will be.
     
  5. Mar 12, 2019 at 2:16 PM
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    So I have Bilstein 5100s in. I wonder if I’d still have a rubbing issue.

    Is it the same for the Off road wheels ?
     
  6. Mar 12, 2019 at 2:29 PM
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    Blacked out, level kit, TRD Pro Rims, BFG KO2 275/70/17
    I just put TRD Pro wheels and BFG KO2 275/70/17 on my Limited last week. They rubbed at full turn in reverse. Added a 2.5”/1.5” leveling kit and all good and looks so much better. And was night and day difference on the trail on Saturday.
     
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  7. Mar 12, 2019 at 3:30 PM
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  8. Mar 13, 2019 at 5:38 AM
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    Blacked out, level kit, TRD Pro Rims, BFG KO2 275/70/17
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  9. Mar 13, 2019 at 6:28 AM
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    Nice, thanks.
     
  10. Mar 13, 2019 at 6:51 AM
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    Loving this Runner and want to do a lot more to it but I also have an ‘89 Land Cruiser with the ARB rack, bull bar, etc so funds are split between the two.

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  11. Mar 13, 2019 at 7:05 AM
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    The left coast
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    Nice 60 series!!!
     
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  12. Mar 13, 2019 at 10:08 PM
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    One thing to consider ... at least based on the attempts I made to fit tires on the TRD Pro wheels, when I replaced the stock 20" wheels (which have 20x7.5 measurements) on my 2019 Limited, the only tires that will fit your 2010 -- without modifications and without rubbing -- will be the 245/75/17s. If you get a wheel such as the American Racing 931 (17x8.5, with the same 15mm offset as the original 20-inchers), then you could fit any one of many 265/70/17 all-terrain tires. Among the Nitto's, the G2 and Ridge Grapplers seems to me to be the most versatile.
     
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    Beautiful. That's look exactly like mine that I sold to get my 2016 4, same color and everything except for the roof rack. I had Ironman suspension on mine. I miss it sometimes but my 4 is basically the same thing just newer.
     
  14. Mar 14, 2019 at 3:07 AM
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    Any 255/70r17 tire will work on the trd wheels without rubbing. Also if you put a lift on or modify your fenderwell liners then the 265/70 will not rub. I am going to try cooper 255/75r17 st maxx that has a 31.77 dia and is 10.2 wide. Cooper also has a 245/75 that is 10" wide.
     
  15. Mar 14, 2019 at 6:16 AM
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    P.S. It's the American Racing 931 wheel, not 921.
     
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    Both the 255/70/R17 and the 245/75/R17. Here's how they stack up vs the OEM 20-inch tires that come stock with the Limited.

    Yokohama Geolandar 245/60/20...wt=36lbs...width=9.6"...diameter=31.6"...Revs.PerMile=657

    Average 255/70r17 will be about 4% wider and 1.6% smaller in diameter (which will throw speedometer off by 1 mph)
    Average 245/75/r17 will be the exact same width and height as the stock 20-inch setup; and speedometer will read accurately

    Average 255/70r17 tire on 17x7 TRD wheel will stick out ²¹⁄₃₂" more than the stock 20-inch setup
    Average 245/75/r17 tire on 17x7 TRD wheel will stick out only ⁷⁄₁₆" more than the stock 20-inch setup
     
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    Oh man I'm 45 min. From there. Did a lot of wheeling with the 17 OR Tacoma.
     
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    What made you buy a limited for offroading?
     
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    The wife put her foot down.
     
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    What's a nightshade?
     
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    So nightshade is a limited? Confusing
     
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    Kinda like a pro.
     
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    Hater
     
  24. Mar 14, 2019 at 4:19 PM
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    I did that also, and I've asked myself your question many times. There was a cartoon in The New Yorker in which a guy laying on a psychoanalyst's couch is saying something like "You know, Dr. Feinberg, after three years in therapy here, I still think that what goes on in my unconscious is none of my own damn business!" ... So, I'm not sure I've been able to answer that question. I know I thought AWD would feel like a bigger deal day-to-day than it actually has; and even driving in heavy rain, my neighbor, who has an Offroad Premium, seems to be driving around as surefooted as I am--with all the Star Safety stuff helping, I assume, as well as he's got all-terrains just like I do and they are probably accounting for most of the traction. But, I quickly sought to replace the wheels and tires and, even though I haven't been in a situation where I would have had to lock a rear diff to get through, I find myself wanting to have that capability (as well as all the other off-road features). But, I do think full-time AWD was the major seductive factor. Oh, and if I had known that automatic running boards could be added, aftermarket ... that might have made a difference, tilting me more toward the ORP.
     
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    I am going to poke that bear until the the day the internet burns down
     
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    You are always attacking us poor pro owners lol. I may have to report you! Lmao
     
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    Here is my ORP with an OME suspension (3” lift) and 285/70/R17 BFG AT KO2’s.

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    Ugh those rims
     
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