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Nose dip on TRD Off Road

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010-2024)' started by Witzkeguy, Aug 23, 2018.

  1. Aug 23, 2018 at 3:51 PM
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    Witzkeguy

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    Hi, new to the forum. Just bought a 2018 TRD Off Road Premium and the amount of body roll in turns and nose dip when stopping is really more than I was expecting (should have joined the forum before the buy!).
    But otherwise very happy with it.
    I don’t want to lift it, just want to reduce the roll/dip.
    Can I just replace the stock shocks with a more robust model or will this ultimately require new springs and the whole package usually provided by a lift?
     
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    Do you have KDSS?
     
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    I’ve had mine for a few days now. Same as yours, just not Premium. Anyways, the nose dip is significant, but I’m starting to get used to the brakes, thus reducing it. The brake sensitivity is the issue. Just have to get used to it.
     
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    How do I know if I have KDSS?
     
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    No mention of KDSS on my window sticker or on the Toyota site to look at the specs for this 4Runner. So of no KDSS what does that mean for me relating to how I reduce the body roll/dip?
     
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    Does the crawl capabilities of the off road (same as the pro) prevent the installation of the KDSS gear?
     
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    Nope have both
     
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    OK, so since I dont have the KDSS what is the best way to counter the body roll and nose dip of these guys?
     
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    The KDSS sway bars are hydraulically linked and are attached to the lower control arms up front and the rear axle in the rear. I don’t think this is a system you can just buy and install as it’s somewhat involved with the piping, hydraulic cylinders, accumulators, etc. you can put stiffer springs on your front coilovers to help with the nose dive under braking.

    KDSS
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  11. Aug 23, 2018 at 5:29 PM
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    Don’t mean this in a bad way, but just relax and drive it for a couple of months. Get used to the brakes and then decide if you need to upgrade the suspension.
     
  12. Aug 23, 2018 at 6:42 PM
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    If you can find some TRD Pro take offs those are good Bilstiens which greatly reduce body roll. They do lift the front 1” but the rear stays the same so you get a slightly more level ride with reduced nose dive. The FJ cruiser kit was on sale a while for around $550
     
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    Some Bilstein 5100's will reduce the body roll and breaking nose dive. I've done mine and makes a big difference. Stock shocks are lousy at best.
    I do have the Kdss so body roll is minimal anyway. The breaking was a killer for me. Better now.
     
  14. Aug 23, 2018 at 7:04 PM
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    You also have the option to lift the front end up with the 5100's

    At the 1.75 setting leveled mine perfectly.
     
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    Definitely takes getting used to. Good advice on preventing brake dive.
     
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    spacer lift front 1inch
    when I drive my 2016 4runner it is very much different than my 96 GM sedan and my 2000 GM truck,,.
    brakes are very touchy and if you gradually push down a bit toooo much that damn brake assist power pump will turn on and lock up the brakes.. on my GM vehicles the opposite ,, if I push down a bit too much on a poorly paved road the brakes will pulsate not lock up.. I do not drive the runner every day so when I get in I have to remind myself of how this puppy reacts...

    On the dip when braking I did not like it .. springs are a bit soft and the shocks do not have good firm operation .. so after 1yr I installed spring spacers . driver side 1.5 inch and pass side 2 , 1inch spacers.. had to cut and fabricate so they fit good .. set them on the lower portion of the springs.
    springs are different on the front because of the gas tank on driver side to set the vehicle level .. pass side spring is weaker than driver side ..

    well the brake dip did most all go away unless I hit the brakes a bit too much and the assist comes on ..
    cost $20...and about 2hrs labor to fabricate the spacers.

    I did a alignment when I purchased it because the toe was wrong vehicle wandered on hywy.. then after the 1inch spacer lift I did the passenger side toe slight adjustment ..

    working good now over 1 year and the OEM factory tires are perfect look all exactly the same even wear ...looks good not level but almost level.

    my GM vehicles have bilstein shocks for most all their life very solid shocks ..
     
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    Interesting topic here, because I originally drove the SR5 Premium and couldn't stand the nose dive and rocking when turning. I then drove the ORP (no KDSS) and noticed hardly any nose dive and much firmer (better) ride compared to the SR5. I still notice a slight dive when I brake hard and it sits tall so I expect more sway while turning than my 300 did but still nothing like the SR5. IMO the suspension in the ORP reacts how I would expect a truck to, certainly nothing I feel I need to change. Just a different take on it I guess
     
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    I think you will have to look on eBay to get the FJ cruiser deal and pay a premium over $550. You can find bilstien 6112/5160 combos for less than $1,000 which is very similar to the pro suspension or as other members have mentioned the 5100 series which is a little less robust but simpler and cheaper.

    I plan on going the 6112/5160 route, partly to bring the nose up a little and partly because I think stock suspension is mediocre. I had a hard braking situation recently going straight ahead and the nose dove and the tail got a little sideways. Way more drama than I would like under emergency braking.
     
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    Thanks to all of you who have given me a lot to think about. I do believe I will give myself a month or so to see if I can get accustomed to the dip and roll. If it still bugs me at that point it looks like I have several paths to choose from.
     
  20. Aug 25, 2018 at 10:12 AM
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    The TRD Pro suspension uses a Bilstein 6112 and the Toyota Red Coils. These 6112s have 2 height adjustment Grooves. Lower one for the Passenger side and the second slot for the Driver's side. This will level the ride side to side. This front set-up will also greatly reduce the nose dive and sway.

    You can also purchase the Bilstein 6112s that has additional Grooves for more height / Lift. Up to 2.5" of lift.

    I would purchase the Bilstein version. You can initially set it to stock height and / or add lift later with the higher adjustments. This is not too expensive and you can set the height higher to level the front to back or when you add a Bumper / Winch.

    I have the Bilstein 6112 / 5160 and 2.0" Rear Coils on my FJ and it rides VERY nice for a mostly street driven truck.

    Icon Stage 2 on my 4Runner, but it's MORE money.
     
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    I’ve had mine for 5,000 miles and I’m definitely upgrading the suspension as soon as I can. I love the KDSS but the nose dip doesn’t go away and quite a bit of folks have said upgraded springs and shocks are a great improvement.
     
  22. Aug 25, 2018 at 11:58 AM
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    None yet!
    I put those on my Tundra and love them.
     
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    The wallowing body roll goes away once you get rid of the Dunlop smooshy tires and stock shocks.

    I too have the Bilstein 6112 / 5160 and KO2 tires and it’s very stable, no rolling, or diving when braking. For tires and that lift kit you’d be looking at $2000 upgrade and that’s a DIY on the shocks. Plan to pay another $300-500 for a shop to install the shocks. It’s suoer easy BTW
     
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