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Kicker upgrades & DSP recommendation

Discussion in 'Audio & Video' started by roooo, Dec 7, 2023.

  1. Dec 7, 2023 at 10:53 PM
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    hey gang!

    i have installed a subwoofer that was laying around... it is a kicker hs8 and it has scratched the itch for some better audio under my butt..

    i'm looking for ease of installation & budget is ~1000 additional components.

    i also am heavily considering a DSP after reading some threads about how it is a game changer.

    i do not mind keeping the original head unit as it has good navigation lol and i like the stock look (Although i would like to know my elevation at times...)

    i have in my cart so far:

    KICKER® KS-Series Black KSS269 6x9" 2-Way Component Speaker System
    Model #: 48KSS269

    quantity 1

    Kicker® KS Series KSC650 6.5" Car Speakers
    Model #: 47KSC6504

    quantity 2


    for the specs of these kickers, they call for 15-100 w RMS power, and speaker is at 90db/92db respectively at 1w/1m so i'd be looking out for an amp somewhere in the 100w x4 @ 4ohms range..


    i have zero experience in dsp

    any help is appreciated! thank you
     
  2. Dec 8, 2023 at 4:42 AM
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    Alpine 3342?
     
  3. Dec 8, 2023 at 9:28 AM
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    It just might he the greastest DSP ever made. You set the volume on the radio and dont touch it, use the Alpine control. I was just jamming to Jimi Live!!
     
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    If you get a head unit you won't need the DSP. I haven't had good success with DSP's.

    And keep in mind your system is only as good as your weakest component, and the stock head unit is trash.

    I went with a Kenwood DMX head unit and couldn't be happier.
     
  5. Dec 8, 2023 at 9:37 AM
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    I found this crusty Pro Line Driver in the garage has not been hooked up in years. If anyone could use it. It Boosts the RCA current IMG_9577.jpg before the amplifier with no distortion.
     
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    The PLD may help if you want to keep stock head unit but convert to RCA and increase power.
     
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    is the PLD only a 1 channel ?

    would'nt i theoretically have 4 channels to hook up?

    And if i were to upgrade the head unit - any remarks on this unit?

    https://www.hamiltonmotorcompany.com/products/2014-2019-toyota-4runner-apple-carplay-conversion-kit

    so basically -
    new head unit
    new amp - 4 channel x 100w rms 4 ohms
    new speakers - kickers throughout bought from audio express

    overall cost $2000 ? (amp is undecided)


    amp maybe 6 channels as i have a spare subwoofer laying around :
    stereo integrity BM mkiv
     
  9. Dec 9, 2023 at 9:03 AM
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    Not sure the output levels on that head unit or how good it is, but may work if it has low level outputs. Alpine makes a good 6 channel amp, it's been great for me.
     
  10. Dec 9, 2023 at 11:10 AM
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    $2000 is definitely a healthy budget to work with... dare I say a bit much depending on your goals. I don't have experience with the HU you linked but I had no issues with the android based Atoto HU I started with. I have since upgraded to a 10.1" HU from Joying which I absolutely love! It has digital outputs for my DSP, has a real GPS/Glonass antenna I use for offline maps, didn't need an expensive adapter for steering wheel controls, displays OBD II info from a cheap 5 dollar bluetooth adapter, etc.

    My first recommendation is try to figure out what kind of sound you're trying to achieve. Luckily for me quite a few friends of mine have been doing audio mods to their 5th gens so we get to compare. Most of the group were content upgrading their front door and dash speakers to coaxials from their brand of choice, ran off of aftermarket headunit power. Those that are running an externally amped sub needed to amp their coaxes to get things loud enough to keep up with their sub(s). Bear in mind this group are only using Spotify as their main source. A few nuts in the group (me included) care about things like sound stage and imaging, in which case none of the coaxial offerings were good enough.

    Side note - that SI BM MKiv you have is a thing of beauty (only needs .5 ft3 box, digs deep, and only 3ish inches in depth)! I run some SI speakers for my front stage and they are phenomenal! If you consider SI for mids/highs I'd definitely suggest using a DSP to get the most out of them. Best part, SI still has their black friday sale going on.
     
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  11. Dec 10, 2023 at 9:06 PM
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    so i think ive got my parts list and along with all the extra deadening i have left over.. plus heaps of electrical cord!

    amp - GM-DX975 (but Amazon turned out be cheapest)
    fronts - kicker 48KSS269 (in fact.. this has been at price of 270 for the past week debating parts order.. )
    rears/hatch - kicker 47KSC6504 (i might return the hatch.. probably not needed the extra thumping back there..)
    sub - si bm mkiv

    i opted to keep head unit and if anything may try to look for a 2020+ version so i can keep OEM style look.. wish me luck

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  12. Dec 11, 2023 at 8:49 AM
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    I used the KSS269s up front with a Kicker Key 200.4 amp behind a Keyloc off the factory 2022 non-JBL headunit. Sound quality is massively improved. I no longer feel the need to add a sub.

    Biggest issue is I now have an echo on phone call for the caller that I can't get rid of. I think the DSP functions in the loc and amp are adding enough delay to mess up the echo cancelation in the head unit. I'm tempted to try it without the Keyloc (originally got that as I was planning to add a sub) to see if that helps.
     
  13. Dec 11, 2023 at 10:55 AM
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    yeah i am gonna use the high level outputs from radio and send those to the amp. i'll update once i get everything sorted out.. stuff should be arriving next week!

    time to make 10 trips to the electronics store...
     
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    Buy an extra amp if your going to do that, it's going to blow it. Needs a drop down/line level, Like DSP.
     
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    what do you mean by that?

    the amp has either RCA or speaker level inputs.. time to dust off the oscilloscope and get the nephew to do some calcs
     
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    The stock head unit doesn't have RCI line level outputs. So you will have to tap into the high powered outputs of the head unit/OEM-amp and that can be way too much power for speaker level inputs in some amps. Good to verify.
     
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    doesnt our stock head unit have speaker level outputs then? its been a while since ive done this..

    also considering a head unit from crutchfield at the moment.... just got a christmas bonus ohboy... for 260 + 200 for some harnesses to keep functionality of the steering wheel controls.. not a bad deal and it will have a RCA pre outs like i need... that might make things a breeze though!!

    and i am still not sold on a fully touch screen unit (i really like how the new 2020+ look...) i like knobs.

    my amp & speakers due to arrive this week...
     
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    No RCA output on the stock head unit. Trust me i tried my best to keep the stock head unit with 3 DSP's that were all crap.

    A new head unit will make all the deference. Such better sound quality!

    I like knobs too, but i spent your entire budget on the head unit. Not that i wanted to, but i went too far to do anything less.

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    I would upgrade but I dont want to loose my cassette player.
     
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    well things have been ordered and slowly arriving here's my photo of the stuff so far i have

    i have opted to eliminate the hatch speakers becauseit'll be easier to maintain 4 ohms.

    i also.. somehow got a shipment of 2 subwoofers which i did NOT order.. so that's a whole separate issue that i will have to mitigate somehow.. hooray for me i guess!! ( i literally checked every single website i've ordered in the past week.. i am not sure why i received 2 subwoofers!!)

    my head unit is also arriving sometime wednesday - it is
    JVC KW-M788BH

    we will see how i like the screen versus losing the OEM look..

    looks like i need another amp for the subs HEHE

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    Going to need a Box for the Subs and an amp like you said. But it looks like you are getting there, good luck with the install should go fine since you have the new head unit and it should be much better than the OEM.

    I think you may be surprised at how good the front 6x9's will sound.
     
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    this is the head unit I went with along with allthe other cables to keep steering controls and such..

    awaiting some other minor parts along with deadener before i start the install... also need some 14 gauge wiring!!

    contemplating if 10" subs will fit under the seats in the rear??
     
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    If doing properly a 10" sub needs a decent box. So unlikely.
     
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    sorry what i asking was whether there is enough space underneath the seats.. when i do pop open the seats like to fold them down - it exposes a "lifted" carpeted area.. i havnet been able to find a thread where one opens it up.. so my questions is .. how big of a rabbit hole am i digging if i wanna fit in 2 10s in there heheheh
     
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    I think it would be like digging a rabbit hole through stone. lol You would be removing part of the hardened floor...
     
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    How is your install going?
     
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    Not as smooth as I has hoped... got caught fixing my other cars that needed to stay running.. and also moved blah blah..

    I really started to enjoy the use and reliability of the OEM nav unit. My main issue i foresee is the lack of knobs and/or loss of the oem nav...

    I did install a kicker 8" hidden sub under my seat and installed the rear kickers in rear doors and started the sound deadening process.

    The taking doors off.. is SO EASY. 3 screws are you kidding me lol.

    I have to run the speaker wire this weekend so the car is half apart already..

    So far all ive got is just cut up the old 6" mounts and mounted my kickers into them which you will see them installed with oem speaker wire (I managed to salvage oem connector) but this will be redone when I run the actual speaker wire to the amp..


    Hopefully this weekend I find a local place to buy 4 gauge wire.. (too lazy to buy a kit.. I've got everything BUT that)

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    Welp only got as far completing the minor deadening in all doors..

    Have ran the amp wiring through a grommet I found in the passenger engine bay.. also found a nice ground (I hope) underneath the passenger seat.. the screw matches the same thread that's used for the rear trunk handle, just need a shorter one. Nothing is cut yet.. just running wire with lots of moaning and groaning!!

    I managed to feed the rear doors in.. a long time but within the grommet & at least those speakers are in and ready to be wired up.

    The front looks like a damn parasite.. I am tempted to drill a hole but doing this away from home, I forgot to bring my hand ratchet and the screwgun I brought won't fit.. who made this flat plastic wire connector??

    Anyways.. I finally opened up my kicker component set and... there's no crossover?? At least not in the sense i am used to (giant box with 1 channel input & 2 outputs - one woofer / one tweeter) i was expecting a woofer & tweeter plus a crossover so that I would have two channels in the front.. and my rears would each be 1 channel.. because I only bought a 5 channel amp like typical. The last channel being for when I go thru with a sub install..

    Oh yeah also the brackets it came with don't fit.. so I'll end up chopping the original one when comes the time..

    I've now read the manual on the kicker kss269 and it says to wire up each component set per channel. So Holy hell.. It may also be super late and my eyes are very very woozy.... anyways off to the supply store!

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