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Is slight steering wheel vibration normal with AT tires?

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010-2024)' started by Loco x Toyota, Jul 7, 2022.

  1. Aug 17, 2022 at 6:03 PM
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  2. Aug 17, 2022 at 7:18 PM
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    For LT285/70/17's the pressure, based on the recommended OEM pressure and size, is 38. I run 38 on my 285 Toyo AT3's and it seems good.

    For SL (P-metric) it recommends 26, but I don't think I would run that low

    Here's the calculator I'm using:
     
  3. Aug 17, 2022 at 8:34 PM
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    Thanks so much! I appreciate the info!
     
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  4. Aug 18, 2022 at 4:55 AM
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    Little off topic by a while ago I think I remember you saying you had a bit of a shimmy with stock tires and when you upgraded it went away? Is my memory true?
     
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  5. Aug 18, 2022 at 5:15 AM
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    Yes. The shitty Dunlops had the standard ~60 MPH wheel wiggle. And, I've only had It with the Toyos and the Yokohamas when I have a clump of mud in a wheel, or when I lost wheel weights "somehow."
     
  6. Aug 18, 2022 at 5:18 AM
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    Thanks, calling my tire place now! The time has come.
     
  7. Aug 18, 2022 at 9:12 AM
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    I'm running 38 in sl rated, so I'd jack your up to 42 and test it out. If its to firm just lower psi to achieve the ride stiffness your after.
     
  8. Aug 26, 2022 at 4:29 PM
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    Wow that is exactly the way the Coopers (Discover AT3) behave with about 45k on the clock. I was thinking of changing to another brand when I read this.
    Someone posted here an install of Scorpion tires? trying to find it, they look pretty good and his approach is same as mine. don't want any change just good grip for the occasional off road. Mostly country roads here for us.
    The outer blocks do cup and the NAPA shop guy did alignment and balance and tire rotation. Yeah, made no diff. still wears this way.
    So good info on understanding, it's just they way AT tires behave.
     
  9. Aug 26, 2022 at 4:34 PM
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    So dumb question, maybe cause I'm old school but here we go:
    Rear tires straight to the front same side, just move them up.
    Front tires move them to the back but opposite sides.
    Will this alter or challenge the belts to be slung in the opposite rotation?
     
  10. Aug 26, 2022 at 4:34 PM
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    I think I finally got rid of the shimmy.

    I changed Falken Wild Peak AT3W 265/70/17 to 265/65/18 Michelin Defender. I took the wheels and tires to discount tire for road force/dynamic balancing and tipped the tech $20 for taking his time and not scratching my wheels. He told me it's the best he could balance and if the truck still shakes, it's not the wheel balance.

    I drove multiple times on the same highway where I would normally feel shimmy at around 60 mph, it is very smooth now.


    Screen Shot 2022-08-26 at 6.23.28 PM.jpg
     
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    I do not know. Good question. Perhaps that’s why Toyota doesn’t recommend that rotation pattern.
     
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  12. Aug 26, 2022 at 5:13 PM
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    But practically every tire shop does it, and other manufacturers recommend that too.
     
  13. Aug 26, 2022 at 8:30 PM
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    I've been rotating mine so that they change direction on my last 4 sets of tires with great results. They wear evenly, and have great tread life.
     
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  14. Aug 26, 2022 at 10:54 PM
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    99.99% of the time, all 47 billion "I have a shake on my runner?" Threads and issues are the tires mate. I stopped reading them, and replying to them, as they would get so fucking off the rails, over a out of round/not balanced decently rubber.
     
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  15. Aug 26, 2022 at 11:14 PM
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    It's funny though, the tech asked me what vehicle those wheels go on to, I said a 4Runner, and he commented that he gets a lot of 4Runner vibration complaints and his opinion is that they are very sensitive to imbalance and also non OEM wheel specs.

    That's why I decided to upsize the wheel size from 17" to 18" so that the wheels are easier to balance.
    Also I went from -10mm offset to 0mm, not OEM but closer to OEM offset.
     
  16. Aug 27, 2022 at 5:30 AM
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    "The best he could balance" doesn't sound very good to me. It's either balanced, or it isn't. I definitely wouldn't take my vehicle back there.


    They definitely are. I'm not sure why, and nobody else seems to know, either. But, if your tires are balanced perfectly, it shouldn't shimmy.
     
  17. Aug 27, 2022 at 9:43 AM
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    They way he explains to me is that it's more like a range of acceptance in terms of being balanced rather than a yes and no binary choice.
    The following is just my speculation:

    I don't know the specifics, but let's assume that the balancing machine they use has a threshold of 1.5% of acceptable vibration, and most installers in a hurry can balance it to 1.2%, and someone taking his time carefully placing the weights, massaging the beads, can get it to 0.8% something like that. So, to the machine, the 1.2% and 0.8% are both "balanced", but one has less vibration than the other.

    I think it kinda makes sense because the weights they are using are pre-cut, and they can only choose a selection of what's available to best approximate it. For example, if they only have 1, 2, 5 grams weights available, they need to come up with 7.5g, the best they can do is just 7g. So there's always some level of imbalance left.
     
  18. Aug 27, 2022 at 10:18 AM
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    I get what you're saying. But, I don't think almost balanced is good enough. Maybe some shops are more meticulous than others. Maybe I'm just lucky, but both sets of my tires are perfectly balanced.
     
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    Quick update: Took Frankie back to 4 Wheel Parts (initially installed Bilsteins and tires in Oakland, CA) and had them balance and rotate, all good now. I have no steering wheel shimmy so I guess the other shops just couldn’t balance them correctly, including the $225 road force balance at the dealer.

    If only I realized there was a 4WP here when I moved I would have gone their first.
     
  20. Sep 23, 2022 at 8:03 AM
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    Keep us updated, every time I had a rebalance it was fine for the next day or so and came back like a stray cat you keep feeding.
     
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    Frustrating problem! I get the 60mph vibration on the highway only occasionally, and I cannot figure out why. I live with it but, wish I could figure it out.
     
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    My Tacoma had the vibes. Turns out, my tires were shit
     
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    I fought these issues for a long time, stock Dunlops, KO2s, General Grabber. Nittos in stock size then worked at first but the wobble came back.

    Michelin LTX AT2 solved my problems. That and a small shop with a good tech and the proper 6 lug adapter.
     
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    I had one bad tire that caused vibration at 65mph. Once located and replaced - no vibration. Bad tire had high spot on it even though it was perfectly balanced. Watch them spin in balancer. If they wobble manufacturer will give you new one due to defect. GL
     
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    Ever since I got my tires properly balanced 2k miles ago, no vibration.
     
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    Replaced the Cooper AT3 @ 45k on the clock with the forum reco of Micheline Defenders.
    ALL steering, wobbles, shakes, etc are now gone. My guesstimate is that the Coopers were good for about 40k or so and then for this particular vehicle needed tossing. Outer block cupping was never resolved even though tire rotations was on schedule, performed with oil changes.
    SO, lol guess the ol saying YMMV certainly fits here.
    and I'm appreciative of the Defender tires.
     
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    My Wildpeaks on the Tacoma have bad luck. 2 flats & only 2 years old. I’ve patched one & replaced one. First was a brass drill bit then a large screw on the edge of the tire.

    My 4Runner has duratracs. 2 years old & there loud as shit. Both sets r 265/70/17
     
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    I am starting to feel the same way about the wildpeaks...on my 4R. I seem to have to go to discount tire every 5K to get them rotated and road forced balance and then the vibration goes away. I was there today....and took this picture and thought of the gang!

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    My nitto grapplers are great when the pressure is right. 33+ cold and I am fine. 32 and I get shakes between 50 and 60 mph. Got it back from getting my 20k and a torn axel seal replaced, shimmy. Checked pressure…sure enough 32. Added my air back in and bang…no shimmy. Been that way since I got it.
     
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    Yeah, it’s weird. Seems like a lot, not all but a lot of 4Runners have a certain psi sweet spot when it comes to tires. My ‘10 Limited had a range with Michelin Defenders (which seem to be the least troublesome) and now my ‘22 with Toyo OC AT3’s also has a certain range that it likes. It appears that if I get my “cold” psi dialed in, it doesn’t matter if it’s 95 or 65 outside it’s fine from the start. Similar, on the flip side, if I’m not dialed in for my cold psi, it sucks through any temperature range.
     
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