Gas or electric vehicle

Hello their,

I am in the market to purchase a new SUV, so I'm stuck between purchasing a 2020 4runner or a electric SUV. Note I don't commute that much to work for the week I drive a total of 155miles so any advise would be awesome

 

Can you list why do you want a 4Runner?

 

1 reliability 2 durable 3 go anywhere type of vehicle 4 low cost to own one except for the gas and oil changes

 

Electric suv? Where I must see them.

 

Well there's the Tesla x , Hyundai kona, rivian coming soon

 

Forgot about the Tesla, didn’t know about the others. Personally for an SUV I would stay with gas.

 

Now that is a very interesting comment I appreciate it cool

 

It currently costs the same or more for me to own an EV vs my 4. I am talking all in with the cost of a home charger and everything on a day to day basis. An IMO EV's are not environmentally all that since in my area the power comes from coal electric plants. I would have to convert my house to full solar in order to be "environmental" owning an EV here. That would add over $20K to this equation.

Then factor in the fact I can drive 300+ miles, stop at a gas station for 5 minutes, and then drive another 300+ miles. Can't do that in any EV.

Eventually I believe the tech and cost will be better but right now an EV just doesn't fit my life. An besides that they are too much money. Compare a leaf to say a Corolla or Versa....equivalent vehicles. It would take well over a decade to recoup the cost difference of the Leaf.

 

Here is some more info between the two types....summary of a paper with link at the bottom. Hopefully the link works as I can't check it right now.

Battery Electric Vehicles vs. Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles

Summary of Findings


Arthur D. Little conducted a total lifecycle economic cost and environmental impact analysis of Lithium-ion battery electric vehicles (BEVs) versus internal combustion engine vehicles (ICEVs). The multifaceted results from this analysis include: 1) Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) representing the total lifecycle economic cost analysis, 2) Greenhouse Gas Emissions / Global Warming Potential (GWP) representing one aspect of the total lifecycle environmental impact analysis, and 3) Secondary Environmental Impacts representing another aspect of the total lifecycle environmental impact analysis. With respect to the environmental analysis and results, ADL determined that direct collateral impact to human life – defined by human toxicity potential, a secondary environmental impact – is an important consideration to be balanced against Greenhouse Gas Emissions / GWP in a comprehensive assessment of the relative environmental merits of BEVs and ICEVs.

- Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) – For a 2015 Compact Passenger Vehicle, the total cost of ownership over a twentyyear vehicle lifetime is $68,492 for the sample BEV model versus $47,676 for an equivalent ICEV—a 44% cost advantage for the ICEV excluding any government subsidies or incentives. For a 2015 Mid-Size Passenger Vehicle, the total cost to own a BEV is $85,854 versus $53,649 for the ICEV—a 60% cost advantage for the ICEV. The cost differential between BEVs and ICEVs will narrow for new vehicles in 2025.

- Greenhouse Gas Emissions / Global Warming Potential (GWP) – For a 2015 Compact Passenger Vehicle, the sample BEV model produces 105,054 pounds of greenhouse gas emissions (CO2 -equivalents) over a full vehicle lifetime, whereas the equivalent ICEV produces 136,521 pounds of greenhouse gas emissions, a 23% advantage in global warming potential for the BEV. For the 2015 MidSize Passenger Vehicle, the BEV produces 122,772 pounds of CO2 -equivalents, whereas the ICEV produces 151,651 pounds, a 19% advantage in global warming potential for the BEV. BEVs and ICEVs will both produce fewer greenhouse gas emissions in 2025, but the balance will still favor BEVs.

- Secondary Environmental Impacts – BEVs generate a host of secondary environmental impacts greater than those of ICEVs. A 2015 BEV generates enough toxicity over a vehicle’s lifetime to cause an impact to human life equivalent to 20 days of life lost to death or disability,5 whereas a 2015 ICEV generates enough toxicity to impact the average human life by only 6 days. The differential in secondary environmental impacts will widen for new vehicles in 2025, with BEVs producing even higher levels of human toxicity potential.

(5 Measured in disability adjusted life years (DALYs), a comprehensive metric defined by the National Institutes of Health as “the total number of years lost to illness, disability, or premature death within a given population.)

http://www.adlittle.de/sites/default/files/viewpoints/ADL_BEVs_vs_ICEVs_FINAL_November_292016.pdf

 

It sounds like it would work as a commuter vehicle for you, but do you go on longer trips in your car? If you do, you're screwed with an EV.

For most, it would make a good second car, but not a good primary car.

Why not compromise and get a hybrid? The plug in Prius sounds pretty cool.

 

Now that's a great idea Primary vehicle 4runner , and the secondary vehicle an EV