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Eibach Pro 2 front and rear fully adjustable springs / struts

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by ForRun, Jun 1, 2020.

  1. Jun 1, 2020 at 3:09 PM
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    So they don't have a pic yet on their own website, so here they are. Work is crazy right now so probably be 2 weeks till they go on.
    Never saw a spanner wrench like this!

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    Those look a lot better than the other pics they sent you. :thumbsup:
     
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    I may catch a break. Really wanted to install myself but an old highschool friend owns a local shop and with luck I can get it there tomorrow:yes:
     
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  5. Jun 2, 2020 at 11:49 AM
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    I'm interested in this setup.

    One thing I noticed in your pictures is that the top mount appears to have bolts that thread into it instead of the typical design in which studs stick out from the top mount.

    I wonder why they chose to do it this way?

    Seems like they could be a challenge to line up with the holes in the shock tower when installing them.
     
  6. Jun 2, 2020 at 3:46 PM
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    Not sure about the bolts uptop. went to Eibach website for instructions. Put the part #E86-82-071-01-20 and zero results. Maybe they are waiting for feedback on how to do it;)
     
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  7. Jun 3, 2020 at 12:55 PM
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    So the shop doing the install is costing me extra cash because of mis information. I'm waiting to hear back from Eibach but the shop needs to keep it another day. I'm eating a days labor and an extra day car rental.
    The problem. No F'ing way these coils adjust without removing the strut. The spanner wrench supplied bent (ring will not turn) and this is with rig on a lift. Only reason I bought these is so I could adjust when needed. Also shop said they are not easy to dial in, he's had to pull them 3 times and still not done
    :annoyed:
     
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  8. Jun 3, 2020 at 1:07 PM
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    Most all adjustable coil-overs require compressing the spring to adjust. The only ones I ever had luck adjusting without compression is the old school fox ones that had a spanner that looked like: [​IMG]
     
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  9. Jun 3, 2020 at 1:15 PM
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    they had other spanner wrench's. none worked. I was specifically told to adjust simply put the rig on jack stands and spin away. just besure threads are clean
     
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    Wooo yeah. Been there before. Broke two King spanners. I was pissed!
     
  11. Jun 3, 2020 at 1:54 PM
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    So Eibach says my shop screwed up. Said if he set them high they would have more preload and not allow for simple adjustment. Apparently they are not adjustable as easy as the sales team describe. I should have bought stage one and saved $$$.
    Shop did say the ride is awesome thou
     
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  12. Jun 4, 2020 at 7:26 PM
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    Just an update with the stage 2. The shop had a hell of a time with these, pulled them and adjusted them 6 times now and they still are not right. Got home and passenger was 1/2" higher.
    I called Eibach and talked to tech support and they told me something completely different than they told my shop. Told shop to adjust and test where it sits. Problem is you need to pull the strut each time.
    I called Eibach and they tracked down the R&D guy who knows about these and this is what I was told.---- need to release the preload, said I should be able to compress the spring on the rig while it's jacked up. Then said 12 turns =1" of lift or 3 turns for 1/4". Perfect, I run to harbor freight and get the spring compressor for 30bucks....it don't fit on the coils. Maybe they sell coil compressor that will fit while installed???
    What did I find out? Jacked the rig up to attempt the adjustment and since could do nothing put the tire on and done. I measured before and again afterwards. Just jacking it up and lowering it, not driving the rig raised the whole damn front 3/4". I can only recommend set the damn things, forget the alignment and put a few hundred miles and hope they settle. No wonder shop had a hard time, they move every time he lifted it up....without adjustment. Next is the 12 threads per inch theroy. My shop left them at 7 threads from the bottom. One side got 1.5" the other 2".....so much for the 12 threads per inch. Will report back in a few hundred miles. Anyone else, please report back findings, I really want to know if mine are ****ed up or if they simply need to settle.
    Edit- I've read so much that for true measurements check at 1/2 tank of gas. After giving up the the day, had 1/4 tank. went to the gas station and measured before and after being a full tank. The measurements were identical, adding gas did nothing. Also the eibach rear springs got 1.5" lift, not the advertised 1"...maybe they will settle 1/2" ?
     
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  13. Jun 4, 2020 at 9:53 PM
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    Yikes... sorry to hear about all the troubles.
     
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  14. Jun 5, 2020 at 3:39 AM
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    I’m glad my OME BP51 came height set the way I wanted and compression/rebound is just a twist of the ratchet away supple ride to boot
    J
     
  15. Jun 30, 2020 at 4:49 PM
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    So I didn't want to start a new thread but now looking for real advice on the rear adjustable springs.
    I bought the 0"-2" rears for zero added weight. All my before after measurements taken in my garage in a marked location with tape for consistent measurements.
    I wanted 1" rear lift and after ~800 miles the Eibach pros had zero settling and gave me 1.5" on both sides. To get 1" I ordered the fully adjustable set. With my passenger side set at zero, I got 7/8" and with drivers up maxed out I got 3/4". I have no adjustment left and am far from 0-2" advertized.
    measurements below:
    Drivers rear before and after - 21 7/8". 22 5/8" or 3/4" lift
    Passenger rear before and after 22 1/4" - 23 1/8" or 7/8" lift
    Here's what Eibach says after me sending pics, etc. - They are sending me the .5" to 2.5" set of springs for free but they truly believe my torsion bars are preloading the rig and throwing the measurements. I'm not a wiz at suspensions and I know older rigs had torsion bars but a 2020 5th gen has a sway bar, yes it has adjustable links but how the heck can that take a spring down over 1" in height? Again and I told them.... the eibach pro rears netted me 1.5" each side so in my mind, even if I had torsion bars why not the difference with stock springs and 1st set of eibachs????
    Since they are sure my stock, unloaded rig is pulling down their springs....how is this possible - No KDSS and 1/2 tank of gas each time measured
    Edit: by the way, sales folks lied again, no way to adjust these on the rig, need to pull the spring. Even had a buddy whos strong as heck try and it just bent the supplied spanner wrenches

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    The only thing I can think of is that they sent you a heavier spring rate by accident. That would explain the extra height at the 0" setting along with the additional muscle it takes to adjust the coil height.

    I could be wrong, but it's the simplest explanation.
     
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    Thank you and I thought that as well but the weakest spring is supposed to give 2".
    If I have time Sunday I'm gonna flip the springs to the other side. If it still stays with the side I can't imagine what it would be. If the replacements do not work I'll scrap them and just get some cornfeds
     
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    I'm pulling for you, man. Not only because I have to install my set soon, but because this is way too far from the advertised result to get no answers, at least!
     
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    So the fronts are set. Had a friend stop by with tools. right now both sides are +2.5".
    Before we started, the drivers side needed to come up 1" and passenger 1/2"
    We started with drivers and went off Eibach said 12 threads per inch. It worked, went up 1". The drivers threads are 19 threads from the bottom, passenger is 7. Whet we have no clue on is didn't touch the passenger side and it came up 1/2" by adjusting the drivers side. This was after driving about 20 miles of crappy road
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    Eibach is sending new rears maybe this week so I can have the rake I wamted. Next up is tires should be here Friday.

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    Best of luck to ya. I don't know that I have the patience or perseverance put go through that drill. But I admire your persistence:hattip:
     
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    It looks great, ForRun if thats any consolation. I was thinking about the rear adjustable springs but I’ve decided to look at alternatives now. That’s what’s good about this forum. Thanks for sharing, I’m indebted to you.
     
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    WOW !! My next possible Mod is the just the Eibach front adjustable shock. Been waiting to pull the plug. I hope IF I do I don't have any issues.
     
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    I’ve decided to go with ELKA 2.5 IFP. They go up to 2”, but the default is 1.5” which is all I want. I spoke wth one of their engineers and it produces level. Their systems are plug and play, fully engineered. No lean, no guessing or experimentation. They can engineer their coil overs for any performance characteristic you want, each set is custom. Sure, expensive, but Canadian. Bullet proof.
    I’m surprised at Eibach, but they sound very responsive, at least. They’re going to fix it, as best they can. I had Eibach springs on my last 2nd Gen Taco, and they were perfect.
     
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    Just had wicked storm come through W/some hail. I hope I don't have any damage:annoyed::rain:
     
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    Thanks all. I'm kinda waiting for other reviews! Only one guy was supposed to install them on another forum but he never responded. This way I would know if its my rig or just bum springs. If anyone wants to know the thread count let me know.
    In the end it's doing what I wanted it to. If no one ever mentioned lean I would never have noticed! Right now it's exacting same on the front and I expect the replacement rears will work. Honestly though I think I should have went with Kings and been done with it!
     
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    How did you end up adjusting the front coilovers? Did you have to take them off? Did you use a coil compressor?
     
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    Tried 3 sets of small compressors but springs are wound to tight. The one that fit in would have stripped the adjustor threads or the bolt bottomed out top side the strut. Had a bench compressor. Used EIbachs 12 thread per inch rule and worked fine. no one included EIbach can explain why the other side went up 1/2" but I dont care, its level:yes:
     
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    After reading all this nonsense you had to go thru ForRun for these springs and shocks does not sound like it was worth it. I was waiting just for there springs for my 2020 Pro fox shocks but I think I will be passing on them and going with the westcott design for my Pro shocks.
     
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