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Changing from a 3" spacer to adjustable struts

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by the_trooper08, Dec 2, 2017.

  1. Dec 2, 2017 at 8:44 AM
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    Ok, so I just picked up a 15 Limited. Found out after I got it home it looks to have a procomp 3/2" lift. I like where it sits, there is. 1.5" rake which is good because we will be pulling a camper with it.
    When I got it home I found 2 shocks are leaking. It has X-REAS. I am taking it back to the dealer as it was a certified used vehicle and they should have caught that.
    With the price of new X-REAS shocks it will be cheaper for them to replace all 4 with either bilstein 5100's or eibach adjustable struts.

    My question is. What is the actual lift with Billy 5100's on the 2.5" setting and will the ride go to hell. Then I can get rid of the front spacer.
    Or am I better off just keeping the spacer and running them at 0?
    Thanks everyone. Really liking this new unit!
    I was a Toyota tech for 7 years but last worked there is 2011.be764e21b3c9f064cf1ac0350e2fbf40_ab0aca13f83db8451bf23c8b8291428c23b88203.jpg
     
  2. Dec 2, 2017 at 1:53 PM
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    Ride will be better than with spacers if you use Bilsteins. Cannot speak for the actual ride height change.

    Check out some of the adjustable coilover options, you spend a little more up front but it's worth it imo.

    fatbobsgarage.com has a great, inexpensive adjustable coilover that you can put Bilstein 5100s in if you want, or it's a bit less expensive to use their in house brand shock.

    http://4x4.fatbobsgarage.com/toyota-4runner-3-adjustable-coilovers-2003-2017-p33910.aspx

    Great looking truck, welcome to the site!
     
  3. Dec 2, 2017 at 3:52 PM
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    Thanks for the info!
    Those coilovers look pretty nice. Little pricy but would be a good option.
    With setting the 5100's to 2.5 That gonna compress the spring quite a bit right? So it's gotta get harsher
     
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    It does compress the spring but doesnt restrict range of motion as much as a spacer does..

    With a spacer lift you are limiting the movement of your LCA and LCA pretty severely, particularly if it's a full 3". You are adding height to the top of the assembly and forcing everything downward.

    With a coilover you are effectively increasing the length of the shock body. This doesnt force the LCA and UCA down and results in a better ride. Coilover will be a bit stiffer possibly because of increased spring rate but will provide a full and potentially even greater than OEM range of upward/downward motion.
     
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    Hmmm , ok so maybe it's a better idea to run an adjustable at 2.5" up front. I have no problem doing that. My only hold back is my rake may be steeper than I'd like. So it may be worth it to drop the back to a 1.5" spacer I guess.

    I got complimented on the lift by a random person in a same year limited with no lift today on the road. So now I have to be sure to keep it lifted. It's an attention grabbed!
     
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    Give Marie at Headstrong Off-Road a call. She has the best prices and is super knowledgeable on which lift you'll need. Tell her Texoma sent you.
     
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    Will do!
     
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    If you do anything outside of a spacer lift on a Limited you will need to ditch the XREAS suspension. May want to read up on XREAS and make sure you are willing to get rid of an expensive piece of technology you just spent a good amount of money on.
     
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    That expensive piece of technology is the reason I'm doing this!
    Shocks are leaking and need to be replaced. And not spending 3000$ on parts when I can spend under a grand and get really good shocks.
    Don't get me wrong X-REAS sounds like it would ride great. I've never experienced it as I bought this thing with blown shocks. And that's on me haha
     
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    Just bought dat bish
    You're not still under warranty? Should be covered under the 3/36.
     
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    Bought it with 92000km really hard to find low mileage used in the praries. Other than us I guess. Only put 60,000km on our rav in 7 years.
    We traded in the wife's rav and my Dakota on the runner. Only needed one vehicle but it has to pull the camper
     
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    Just bought dat bish
    Ok, guess you're way past warranty then. Put some Kings on that bish then.
     
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    Haha don't think the wife would appreciate that. She's already said a few nasties about buckling the kids in the back.
    When we got it home she kept saying it's taller than she thought it would be (we test drove a couple different ones in the summer) and I kept telling her naw.
    Then I looked under it and was like, shit. I don't dare tell her it's lifted or she'll want to take it out haha.
     
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    Just bought dat bish
    It can stay the same height, just Kings will look so much better with the white body, n a set of TC uppers.
     
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    Just some stuff to make mall crawling easier.
    More then likely the spacer kit is what killed your XREAS shocks up front. Spacers on top of the coilover are simply a bad idea. Bilstien is a much more pocket friendly option but you will sacrifice ride quality over the XREAS system in total. I have read up some on XREAS before we bought our new SR5 Premium, thats quite a bit of work to remove that system properly and bypass it in the computer.

    So what it comes down to is what did you ultimately buy your Limited for? The luxury and comfy ride, or you gonna turn it into an exploring/off roading rig? If you want a comfy ride but not the $3000 to repair your XREAS shocks, I would suggest taking a look at the Toytec Lifts BOSS 2.0 adjustable coilover along with their superfex rear lift springs. I had this system in my 4th gen and loved it. It will most likely be the system I put on this new one down the road. I also ran this system for a while in my 2nd gen Tacoma.
     
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    As far as I know there is nothing that has to be done with the computer when removing the X-REAS? You know something I don't?
    The deal is I'm not paying for any of this. Tomorrow I take it back to the dealer I bought it from as a certified used vehicle. They are going to be fixing it as the shocks should have been caught in their Inspection.
    I am going to put it to them to pay less and go with an aftermarket option. As you said the X-REAS failed because the previous owner put the lift In. But blown out shocks should have been caught in an inspection. So we will see what they say tomorrow and how much fighting in going to have to do with them. I' not driving there again after this, different town couple hrs away.
     
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    Let us know how it turns out, good luck!
     
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    Thanks, will do. I' taking my wife with me, and she can be a monster so I'll just unleash her on them if they get difficult
     
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    LOL...go get em' Wifey!
     
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    Just some stuff to make mall crawling easier.
    I was told by a Toyota Tech that it will throe up a light and a code when it malfunctions. I am sure there is a bypass, just not certain what is involved to do so.

    I agree the dealer should correct this so bedt of luck to you on that and I will be curious to see what they say.
     
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    They wanted to do just one rear shock. They didn' believe the front was a problem. So after some pressure we convinced them to do both rear, as one rear would have 92000kms on it and one would be new. Shocks should be replaced in pairs. That's always the case.
    Then when they saw what the parts and labor were to do that I convinced them to just pay me the same for me to change all four with after market ones and be done with it. So I just have to send them the bill for 4 shocks and they will cut me the cheque! Shopping time!
     
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