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4runner vs the new Ford bronco

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by Ozzy52, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. Sep 11, 2020 at 11:03 AM
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    Ok, I don’t know much about Range Rovers, and LRs 3&4 do have reliability problems if you are a clueless owner, using a dealership in a reactive way every time there’s a problem. The reason LRs have their adherents, is that if you have some mechanical acumen, LR problems are known, and can be anticipated and repaired before breaking down and if you do that, they’re surprisingly reliable. There’s a huge after market for parts, and lots of people fixing them around the world, and they’re not really that hard to work on. It’s partly a British thing, for sure. But anyone who has worked on British vehicles will have no difficulty fixing them. Personally, I think LR3s & 4s, are the most under rated and inexpensive vehicles out there for a solid overland or off road daily driver. They really depreciate, and now you can buy a lot of vehicle for just a few bucks. They also don’t seem to rust much. Great vehicles off road, and fun to drive. Lots of good jokes about LRs though, that all the LR guys know - like “how do you know when your LR is out of oil? Answer - it stops leaking!”
     
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  2. Sep 14, 2020 at 2:33 PM
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    Typo or intentional? :laugh:
     
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    Impressive indeed. But modified as much as that Jeep's been, why couldn't they? The LR has better approach angles than the Jeep even before lifting lit, adding massive tires, removing the bumper... So you could get the same amount of ground clearance etc. Or would they be incapable of that because of the IFS?
     
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  5. Sep 14, 2020 at 3:28 PM
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    That Jeep can sure climb rocks, but for everything else you might want to do I think a new LR Defender would be better. Probably more dependable too, but the juries still out on that one.
     
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    Sorry for the late reply on this. Believe it or not, the skids didn't affect my gas mileage. I do mostly highway driving, and drive with a light foot, and I'm still consistently getting right around 21 MPG with it.

    I did a 300 mile road trip last month, and believe it or not, that tank I averaged 23.1.
     
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    You're talking about the new Defender, right? If so, no. There's no way you're going to be able to lift that thing enough to fit a really big tire on it without completely re-engineering the suspension, and also it has too much body work in front of the front tires to ever have an approach angle as good as a Jeep's.

    If you look at a Jeep with a stubby front bumper and larger tires, the thing basically has a vertical approach angle if the driver approaches from even a slight angle. You can't really get that on any other modern vehicle that I can think of unless you completely hack the front end off.
     
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  8. Sep 15, 2020 at 9:01 PM
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    I averaged 23.1mpg once. Going downhill
     
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    Yep. A friend of mine was shopping for a new SUV and asked what my real-world average MPG was and when I told him 18, his mouth dropped. He bought a Honda Pilot.
     
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    * Note * a Honda Pilot is a nice vehicle but not an SUV! Lol
     
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    Yeah, his is very nice with leather and all the bells and whistles for the same price as my 4Runner, but it couldn't do what I would need it to do.
     
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    I drove a brand new pilot awhile back as a rental. OMG it was awful. The throttle response is absolutely insane. Push the gas and it just doesn’t move. Very slow to start moving. Like, absurdly slow. And if you press harder to make it go, and you have to press it a long ways, it takes a couple seconds, then the RPM’s skyrocket. Super weird. I think it’s like a 9 speed trans or something like that. Awful. Absolutely awful.
     
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  13. Sep 16, 2020 at 10:26 AM
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    Noticed the busted CV axle on the ground.

    That's a crazy wall of rock for sure.
     
  14. Sep 27, 2020 at 5:07 PM
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    Yes. Yes.

    I had a 2011 Frontier that was rock solid. Never had a problem. I’d still buy a Frontier over a Tacoma all day long (that 3.5L in the Taco is just terrible). My wife currently drives a 2018 Rogue AWD and we’ve never had a single problem with it. I personally lump Nissan and Toyota in the same category - both have put out some great vehicles and some not-so great vehicles. I’m anxious to see if a new battle brews between the Supra and the upcoming 400Z akin to the days of the Supra Turbo vs. 300ZX TT back in the day. I guess that would be a battle between BMW and Nissan though. :stirthepot:

    This’ll piss off the 4Runner neophytes - probably the second worst vehicle I’ve ever owned was my ‘95 4Runner. New transmission at 100k miles, second transmission at 150k miles (both done by the Toyota dealership in Augusta, GA) and a cracked head at 165k that led to its ultimate demise. Bought that rig in 2005 with 90k on the clock and thought I’d have it with me to this day. 3.slow engine and all. Oh well.

    The worst was a ‘97 Jeep Wrangler.
     
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  15. Sep 27, 2020 at 5:34 PM
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    Just don’t buy the Jeep with the diesel engine. Apparently that is a nasty little grenade that FIAT snuck in there when the Cummins fans weren’t looking.
     
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    I'm actually much more interested in the upcoming Z than I am about the BMW Supra. I intend to own a Z within a few years.

    Nissan has made some excellent cars. I just think they make some really ugly cars, too (cough.. Juke..cough).

    The 3.0 in the 2nd gen 4runners was known to have head gasket issues, which I'm sure ultimately led to your cracked head. I am a little surprised about the transmission failure, though.
     
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    I've heard mixed things about that motor. If it's the same one they use in the eco-deco-diesel Rams, I believe they had some quality issues when they couldn't build them fast enough to meet demand.
     
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    Yes, the head gasket was the culprit. I was surprised about the transmission(s) too. And, I agree with you on Nissan’s styling. Pretty horrific over the past 20 years except for a few models here and there.

    The Z has my interest too...
     
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    Exact opposite experience. My girlfriend has a 2018 Rogue with 30k miles and it is the biggest POS Nissan I've seen. AWD system failures, electronics failures, Nav system bugs, etc.

    Reliability ratings put it at barely above average...

    https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/nissan/rogue-sport/2018/reliability

    I was kicking around the idea of a 1/2-ton pickup and found some amazing deals on Nissan Titans with the Cummins motor. I went to the Titan forums and you would not believe the problems these trucks have. Absolute garbage on every level.

    Friend of mine at work bought one. Paid $29k for a brand new diesel pickup. Within a week, he had problems with the TPMS system and the Nav system.

    Nissans are generally garbage these days, from what I've seen and heard.
     
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    It's possible that this could be a bit out of proportion. If you read the 3rd gen section on Tacomaworld, you'd probably think those are garbage, too.

    Also, it seems that newer diesels in general are finicky at best. The DEF thing seems to really screw up the works. Diesel is really only a good option for people who put on a lot of miles and/or need the power for towing. DEF vehicles don't seem to do well in the city.
     
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    I had a bmw X5 diesel for 6 years (3.0 I6). They do require much more maintenance than their gas siblings but j don't think it meant unreliable. My DPF never had sn issue over 111k miles. The rest of the system are wear items: NOX sensors, SCR, EGR, and DEF tanks/pumps. I had to replace nox sensors every 40-50k miles (warranty to 120k miles), the active def tank temperature sensor went out and the fix is tank replacement. Again, thank God for VW dieselgate (bmw doesn't cheat) but because Germans were in the spotlight - BMW got ahead of the game and extended any emissions problem to be covered up to 120k miles.

    Otherwise it was a extremely reliable vehicle. Over 6 years and 111k miles only having a couple exhaust problems I think is pretty good. My biggest complaint was it eats tires and needs replaced every year.

    You cannot do the following to modern diesel engines.

    Idle... AT ALL except in traffic.

    Short trips or conditions where the engine doesn't reach operational temperature

    Tuning without deleting the DPF
     
  22. Sep 29, 2020 at 9:35 AM
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    I wish Toyota would build something that would compete with the Bronco.
     
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    I think we agree here. What I was trying to say was that I think some folks buy diesels for running around in the city, and the newer diesels don't seem to like it. I feel like some of the negativity towards newer diesels comes from people who shouldn't have bought a diesel.
     
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    Some of the negativity towards diesels lies at the feet of Volkswagen. The rest is it’s particulate problem, which is carcinogenic. Road corridor studies show adverse health effects just living in the corridor and inhaling the plume, let alone walking down the sidewalk inhaling idling vehicles. I have to say I’ve breathed my share, in farm machine storage buildings hooking up tractor implements and servicing machines with the engines running inside the shop without modern ventilation. Back in the good old days.
     
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    Exactly.

    I miss the torque, A LOT. Not worrying about maintenance on the exhaust is totally worth it.
     
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    No... They are crap.

    https://www.motorbiscuit.com/the-pickup-trucks-with-the-worst-reliability-ratings-for-2019/

    After its 2017 redesign, the Nissan Titan got solid road-test scores from Consumer Reports testers. However, this model never inspired confidence on the reliability front.

    Problem areas included auxiliary engine components (belts, pulleys, mounts) and body integrity (leaks, cracks). These issues kept Titan down among the worst pickups following the latest survey.

    On a scale of 1-100, Titan’s predicted reliability for 2019 was 28%. Stacked against the competition, that put Nissan’s truck well behind Ford and Ram 2500 models and completely out of Toyota Tundra’s league.
     
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    Nissan made a very good compact truck for years and years and a few good truck based SUVs. The Frontier and its predecessor (the hardbody i think it was called) were really solid trucks. The Pathfinder use to be good too until it went unibody. Xterra was good. No doubt they had some stinkers in there though. The Titan has always been a POS.
     
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    Anybody price out a bronco? Prices are super high.
     

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