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4runner vs the new Ford bronco

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by Ozzy52, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. Aug 12, 2020 at 8:48 PM
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    I use that area to hold WD40, duct tape, a dog dish, and some other stuff. Things do tend to rattle around and fall out, though.

    You have a place for sunglasses? I have to store mine on the driver's door armrest.
     
  2. Aug 12, 2020 at 9:21 PM
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    I keep extra oil & towels in there. Anything our GSD won't go after. This is why I would like a door.
    No, it is my wife's DD. My sunglasses are in the glove box! LMAO
     
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  3. Aug 13, 2020 at 3:37 AM
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    SR5 has a spot for sunglasses in/around the area where the TRD Off Road crawl control and terrain select dials would be.
     
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    Then I do not understand the skids, especially steel, weight is almost as important as the tires in the gas milage game.
     
  5. Aug 13, 2020 at 8:09 AM
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    You can use the resources you will need to maintain your Ford and invest them on a 4Runner....you'll come ahead on the long run....
     
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    Stay away from it...nothing but dozens of recalls the first five years........and after 5 years......1,000 of $ for repairs after 50,000 miles. All of the glitter gone.......
     
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    Besides, why get the Bronco when you can get something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_qGCzGR-74

    It's much cooler -- and if my prior Land Rover is any guide, it will have the same lack of reliability:rofl:
     
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  8. Sep 9, 2020 at 4:18 PM
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    If Ford acquiesces to demand and offers the Sasquatch package with a manual trans, it will definitely be attractive. Of all the US vehicles, Ford has the most going for it.
     
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    If they had offered the 5.0 V8 as an available engine I’d be interested. But...Ford overall is the best American brand in my opinion. If I were going to buy American again that’s what I’d be looking at. But, then again...maybe it says something that I currently own an F-150, have a 4Runner on order and I’m not even considering the Bronco as an option. o_O
     
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    I think they’ve done a pretty good job of capturing the retro look that so many American manufacturers are going after these days. The Mustang, Camaro and Challenger since the mid-2000s have been slaying it in terms of sales to the folks the reminisce of the “good ‘ole days” with those classic lines. Can’t fault Ford for going after those sales numbers, but as many have stated in this thread, reliability and long term endurance of the platform remain to be seen. The main challenge for Ford (or any manufacturer other than Toyota or Nissan for that matter) is to gain the trust of consumers for reliability and long term endurance via short term performance. Unlikely as it is. Hopefully that made sense.

    :cheers:
     
  12. Sep 9, 2020 at 11:27 PM
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    I can see some squeaks and rattles being a problem with the Bronco out of the gate, but overall I don’t have reason to suspect reliability will be that different from the F-150 lineup.
     
  13. Sep 10, 2020 at 3:50 AM
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    People trust Nissan? Nissan is reliable?
     
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    They are. At least their small trucks are.

    I've had 3 that went beyond 200,000 miles with no major problems.

    Can't speak to the rest of their lineup.
     
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    The Frontier is super reliable and the VQ40 is (was) a terrific engine.
     
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    I happen to agree that the new Defender is cooler than the Bronco, but you inevitably get lambasted when you say so publicly. Then someone whips out a picture of an old 110, even though they've never driven one and would be driven insane by the 134 hp V8.
     
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  17. Sep 10, 2020 at 7:46 AM
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    Given that well equipped Wranglers and Broncos crest $50K pretty easily, the 110 looks like a decent good deal. I configured a 110 for $53K on the LR website and it wasn't missing anything I'd find important. I'd never trade my 4R for one, but if I had ~50K to spend on this kind of vehicle I'd certainly consider the Defender over a Jeep or Bronco.

    Looks like it would be much more pleasant on road than the Jeep while being just as good off road. LR has made a big deal about this being the best off road beast they've ever produced and top of the class in the market, and they do know what they're doing. So it would be surprising if it wasn't at least in the same ballpark as the Wrangler and Bronco capability wise. They're also making a big deal about its durability, so who knows maybe a miracle as occurred and the thing is actually reliable (though I do find it hard to believe that LR can make rock solid computer and electrical systems...)
     
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    My wife had a 2014 Murano. It needed a new trans at 100k so we got it replaced with a rebuilt one at the dealership. In 2019, she got a brand new Murano bc she loved the first one. I ended up driving her '14 for 6 months before the SECOND trans started leaking again. Which lead to me getting my 4Runner. So if it wasn't she the crappy trans, I wouldn't have my T4R. So for that alone, I love Nissan lol
     
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    My only Nissan was an early 2000s Sentra and it developed engine trouble with only like 15000 miles on the odo. We traded it in. I have heard good things about the Frontier and the Z cars, but would be wary of most of their other offerings.

    I’ve been bad about keeping cars a long time. My 4R is intended to be one I do keep, to anchor the fleet while satisfying my Jones for new and sporty things by buying less expensive stuff as DDs and for fun. The cars I kept the longest were a 2000 Accord and a 2009 BMW 328i. One was around 90k and the other 80k when I traded them, and neither had any issues whatsoever. Of course, that’s not a lot of miles. But still they both seemed rock solid. In my experience (again with not a lot of miles on any of them) Hondas and BMWs have been excellent, Subarus have been so so and VWs sketchy. My Land Rover was the worst. Was in the shop so often I Lemon Law’d it. My 4R is my first Toyota. Don’t even know how I managed to buy so many other cars and never a Toyota until now.
     
  20. Sep 10, 2020 at 11:48 AM
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    Yeah, I had one on order, but cancelled it and got my $5k deposit back. I had second thoughts about reliability, especially in the remote parts of Northern Canada where I have some trips planned. If an expensive vehicle like that breaks down somewhere remote, it could be a logistical nightmare getting it serviced, getting parts and getting it home. LR advertises them in remote places, but they don’t make much commitment to getting you out of there if they break down and in Canada, the dealerships are in only in major cities thousands of miles away. In contrast, a 4 Runner can be supplied parts in some pretty remote places. For example there’s a Toyota dealership in Whitehorse, Yukon.
     
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    The Nissan CVT transmissions around that era were terrible. I had a Murano rental car around that time and it was a total piece of shit. They have supposedly gotten better though.

    But my only experience with owning Nissans was with Frontiers......which treated me very well. The draw was that you could get similar reliability to the Tacoma, but pay quite a bit less. They had pretty terrible resale though when compared to the Tacoma.
     
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    That's if you fit comfortably in a Tacoma. They have a bizarre seating position that was a total deal killer for me.
     
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    All Tacoma's or a certain gen?

    I was always pretty comfortable in a Tacoma.
     
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    Sounds like you did the smart thing. The Defender looks like it could be a great toy or second or third car, but I couldn't imagine relying on one as my main vehicle. Maybe after we've seen them in action for awhile -- I'd like to believe that LR has gotten its act together and made a new classic. But the track record sure is poor. Plus, as you note, even if it's a great car the service and repairs it does need would be both expensive and inconvenient.

    I love that the 4R is sold throughout South, Central and North America, and that it has been mostly unchanged for more than a decade. Really gives you confidence that you could find parts and knowledgable mechanics in all the regions in which you might drive the thing. I found the Chevy Tahoe appealing for similar reasons (plus presumably any given repair would be less expensive), but as described elsewhere in this forum I determined that the 4R was a better choice for me overall.
     
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    4 Runners are constantly criticized by automotive journalists for being “long in the tooth” haha, which is fine by me. They’re pretty easy to work on, and even a non Toyota mechanic in a remote place could get one running if it broke down. And as you point out, Singleminded, there are enough 5 gens out there now, that there’s a good supply of used parts for the foreseeable future.
     
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    I’ve had a few Hi Luxe’s and Tacoma’s and the seating position is one of the unique things I really like. The seat kind of sits on the floor, like an old MGB. I’m 6’2”. My last vehicle before this 4 Runner was a 2015 TRD Sport.
     
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    bought a 2007 Tacoma for my son a few years back. I'm an avg size guy with broad shoulders, the drivers seat was too narrow, the bolsters(?) on the sides were too confining. Aside from that, 100% satisfied.
     
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    Those that want a Lard Rover or Range Rover have never actually owned one for more than a few months. Horrible, horrible reliability. Expensive to repair and ridiculous to work on. Every time I see one, I assume the owner is either ignorant or rich enough to not care.

    Nissans used to be great, and I was a fan boy in the 90's. Then they got bad in the early 2000's and have remained unreliable since. My girlfriend drives a 2018 Rogue with 30k miles and it is constantly having something go wrong with it. But, her previous vehicle was a Juke that only had one or two minor issues, so...
     
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    I wanted a 2 door evouge BUT 1 it only has 3500lb towing cap. 2 they stopped making them except in convertible & I hate the looks of cloth convertibles. It takes away from the look at least for me.
     

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