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4runner vs the new Ford bronco

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by Ozzy52, Jul 10, 2020.

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    Yeah, life is a compromise. I really wanted a flat platform style that would accept a lot of different configurations, so I went with the Front Runner. You can order sides for it too, and turn it into a basket, but I don’t need that, so far. The main thing are the bolts that slide in the rails that provide a really solid attachment point for just about anything. I guess my only criticism of the Front Runner rack is that it’s steel, and could be aluminum.
     
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    I've been looking at Bajarack. I like the look of a basket, but I think a flat rack is probably more practical.
     
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    It’s amazing how expensive these things are, for all they amount to.
     
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    True! It almost makes a guy want to learn to weld and fabricate my own. If only I had the tools and knew how to use them.:rolleyes:
     
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    I had to roll some money from my Jeep and in the first year the 4R still drops pretty far. Its a great time to trade it, but I don't want to trade it for a lesser Toyota.
     
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    I agree on the exhaust. One of my employees just got an ORP and am seriously considering swapping him for his stock exhaust.

    Am surprised at how great the Nittos are. Best snow / ice performance from an AT tire I’ve ever experienced. Surprised you say they are loud, I don’t hear them at all...... especially with the roof rack and exhaust, lol.

    If you not a fan of loud tires then I would stay far away from KO2’s. I have them on my work vehicle (2017 Tahoe), and they howl like banshees, brutal wet traction (even with the anemic 5.3L), took a ton of weight to balance, and don’t roll very smooth. They do however have good snow / ice traction, and have had great tread life.

    I have Cooper AT3 XLT’s on my Tundra, and am beyond happy with them. Quiet as stock donuts even at 33”, roll super smooth, great traction everywhere, American made, and look awesome. Only have 10k miles on them, so cant really say anything on tread life. But they do have a 60k mile warranty, so Cooper at least stands behind them.
     
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    Chances are that those K02s on a work truck needs an alignment but once cupped, will never smooth out again. A lot of guys complain about noise, but they’ve damaged their tires by not spending $ on regular alignments. You need to be religious about them, especially if you’re bouncing around off road. My K02s are quiet. Also, up here in snow country, I don’t consider a K02 a winter tire, personally. By November I’ve got Blizzaks on, and I’m ready for serious conditions. My K02s are cleaned up and sitting on a rack until spring.
     
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    Agree on regular alignment and rotation, trust me, my Tahoe has had both and the mechanics at work have tried dutifully get it worked out.

    Not sure what snow country you are in, but the KO2's are snow rated and have performed admirably in the last two winters here in south central Alaska. Especially with the portly Tahoe and smooth auto 4x4 system it has. Have been running AT tires up here year round on all my trucks and SUV's (save my Jeep SRT with Z rated tires for summer) for the last couple decades with no issue.
     
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    Yeah, I know they claim “snow rated” haha, whatever that is. In winter, a winter tire is best, because it’s softer and grippier. I live in central Ontario Canada, just outside the Greater Toronto area in a snow belt from Lake Huron. Around here it’s not unusual for roads to be closed during winter storms and you’re prohibited from driving on them by the police. I’ve lived in the Yukon, and winter tires are best up there too, because of the cold temperatures.
     
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    I have had very good luck with 4WD and 3 peak snow rated AT's. That said, I would LOVE to see what a 4runner with snow tires is like.

    My Scion TC with Hakkapliittas is probably better in the snow than a 4×4 with lesser tires. If I was that far north, and had the means, I would surely get a set of snow tires for the 4runner.
     
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    Well, I have read this entire thread today, start to finish. The funny thing about it is this. 99% of people that buy brand new four runners don’t even use them off road to their full potential. Most that do take them off road consider off roading to be gravel and dirt forest roads that most two wheel drive trucks could drive on. I take mine off road a few times a month, and more in the fall and winter. I have never been stuck. I have used the rear locker a few times, and it works well. Never used the winch, never used my traction boards. Stock size tries on it.
    But everyone talks about how much more capable the Jeeps are, and how better the Bronco looks on paper. And, you can get 35’s.......! The reality is, most people that buy the Bronco, or the Rubicon Jeep, dont or won’t take them off road. I see the Jeeps everyday with 37” tires on them driving down the road. Not a scratch on em. Not even any dust in the fender wells. Ultimate mall crawlers driven by middle aged women hanging their feet out the doors.
    I’ll stick with reliability, good highway driving, comfort, and all the off road chops I’ll ever need. When I do get stuck, I have a winch. I don’t need 35” tires. I don’t even need a front locker. If I needed all that, I would build a dedicated rock crawler, and trailer it to the off road park. You can have your 35” tires. I’ll keep my factory sized 31’s, and know it will get me there and back home.
    Just my opinion....
     
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  13. Aug 4, 2020 at 10:21 AM
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    I totally agree with you, Arky73. Stock tire size is important for me, as I don’t want to regear. I’ve gone bigger tires without regearing, on a Tacoma back in the day and it was a mistake I won’t make again. My 4 Runner is my only vehicle, so it needs to do civilian duty most of the time, including VIP trips to the airport etc, so a rough, hard running, jacked up rig won’t work for me. Even though I don’t off road every day, I treasure those trips, and want a reliable, comfortable vehicle that I don’t need to worrry about. My 4 Runner ORP is definitely that vehicle. It is mostly stock, but because I wheel alone, and sometimes with my wife, I put a winch on it for peace of mind. I have only used the winch once so far, to help someone else who ran off an unmaintained winter road in a snow storm. I felt sorry for them, as it was the middle of nowhere, and they couldn’t get a tow truck to pull them out. I have made a few subtle mods, good tires, a roof rack, a rear bumper, but if you saw my 4 Runner at a first glance, it looks bone stock. It runs smooth and fast on the big highways, and goes anywhere I want to take it off road. Totally classy, reliable and bullet proof.
     
  14. Aug 4, 2020 at 10:45 AM
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    It’s like lifting one 3” to fit 285/70’s. They are 32.71” tires. The stock size 265/70 is 31.61”. Is one inch tire size gonna help enough off road to justify the expense, wear and tear, and decrease in fuel mileage? No. Do they look better, yes, they look better with a lift and tires. Not worth it to me. I cant imagine a half inch of ground clearance making that much difference off road. Although it does help approach angles! I had a few Toyota trucks, an 87 and a 91 model, and had 31” tires on them. I took those trucks places I never thought they would go, and a lot of places my friends Jeeps wouldn’t go. I pulled several old CJ’s out of mud holes. Guess I’m just old and set in my ways.
     
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    I generally agree with your sentiment, but you don't need a 3" lift to fit 285's. I have 285's on a 1.6" lift.

    Your speedometer and mileage are actually more accurate with 285's vs the stock 265's. Check GPS and/or speed sensors while you're running 265's. You'll find that you're about 2mph off with 265's. 285's correct this and end up being dead on.

    Lastly, 285's won't be an additional strain on your drivetrain or mpgs if you're mindful of weight. My 285's came in at 42lbs each. Not sure what the stock Dunlops are because I couldn't find their weight listed, but I doubt they are significantly lighter. 42lbs was the lightest 285 I could find and they feel very close to stock while driving.
     
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    Guilty as charged. I took my 4Runner out last week to go huckleberry picking and it did great. The side steps did scrape on a couple of obstacles, so instead of spending $800 on rocksliders, I spent $100 on a 2.5 lift and $600 on 33" tires. Admittedly, I added the lift and bigger tires more for looks rather than actual utility, but I do actually go off-road out in the Idaho mountains and a bit of lift and bigger tires does come in handy. For truly tough trails, I have a UTV that is lifted with bigger tires and a winch.

    I try to do mods that have more utility to them, but also add to the looks of my vehicle. As a single guy, chicks dig 4Runners. They really dig modified 4Runners. LOL.
     
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    I went 2.3 in front and 1.5 in back. One of the reasons I lifted it was to get the front skid off the ground. I constantly hear the argument that lift doesn't increase ground clearance. This is only somewhat true. Of course it doesn't raise your rear axle, but it does lift your front differential, which is one of the lowest points on the truck. As you mentioned, it also improves approach, breakover, and departure angles, which are also important.

    If I wasn't constantly hitting the front skid on things, I might have stayed stock. My goal was to do less lift and more tire, but then I read about what it takes to run 34's. I also realized that I should probably regear if I went much bigger than 33.

    As far as wear and tear, this will also come down to driving style. I'm generally very easy on the gas and brakes. It will still go through wheel bearings a bit faster I'm sure, but not enough to be concerned about.

    And , yes, I do like the look of 285's. But, the bigger footprint was a factor in my decision as well. I thought about skinnies, but my rims are too wide for 255's (9").



    Agreed! But, what 285's are that light? I thought the Toyo p-metric 285's at 46 were light. I'm on C's at 55# and the difference from my 265 KO2's is really not bad.
     
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    Hard pass on that...
     
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    In a few years it will be an $8k option just like a S/C for a T4R. It is way to early to get even a concept of the sales levels.
     
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    Agreed on the front ground clearance! I believe Toyota rates these at 9.6, that's gotta be a lie. I recently installed a set of RCI steel front skids on mine, and while I was doing something else I noticed that the front seemed really low. Got out a tape measure, and I have barely 7.5 in from the skid to the ground with stock tires.

    So while I don't really want to lift it, I feel like I have to just to get the stock rated ground clearance. I'm thinking I'm going to do a 2 inch front, and 1 inch rear, along with 255 75 17s. Those tires will fit stock, however they are a hair taller than the stock 265 while being a little narrower, and potentially weighing less depending on which brand.

    Sure 285s look cool, but I really don't want the added rolling resistance and the decrease in gas mileage. This is my daily driver, and I actually get really good mileage with it right now. I'd like to keep that. I don't do anything radical off-road, I would just like to have more ground clearance than a Subaru, haha.
     
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    The Subie's though! I have seen some gnarly outbacks :)
     
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    You're not wrong! There are some of them out there that wheel harder than most 4Runners, haha.
     
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    I saw a group of Subarus coming through my favorite trail here in Wisconsin. Those guys did not give a SHIT about their cars! I couldn't believe how they just rammed them through some obstacles.
     
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    I've read that the new Land Cruiser will be smaller, more off road capable, and less expensive. A Land Cruiser slightly smaller than the current model would be ... the same size as the 4Runner? What if the new 4Runner is slightly smaller than the current model, making it more like an FJ/Wrangler/Bronco? Having a 4Runner, LC, and Sequoia going from smaller to bigger, less expensive to more expensive seems to make more sense.
     
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    I would like it if Toyota could make more storage in the current/ next gen vehicle. Make the subwoofer area in the non-limited ones with a hatch or padding to prevent rattle. I know we have a sunroof but a second area for sunglasses would be a welcome addition...
    I am not a vehicle designer but I would think you could squeeze a but more storage space than the center console that is a giant whole even with the organizer...
    I believe the size is perfect and I am 6'4".
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