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2024 Off-road suspension questions

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010-2024)' started by TejasRunner, Jul 9, 2024.

  1. Jul 9, 2024 at 7:01 PM
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    TejasRunner

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    I have a deposit down on a new 2024 Off-road Premium. I currently have a 2016 Trail Premium.

    Does the 2024 OR nosedive on hard braking?

    To counter this issue on the 2016, I installed Toytec Boss shocks and they’ve been fine. They are almost seven years old. Still drives and rides great.

    Assuming the 2024 shocks are soft like the 2016, any recommendations on replacements. I’d like to do a small front lift to level. One of the local shops recommended front and rear replacements for a better overall feel. I am getting quotes right now.
     
  2. Jul 9, 2024 at 7:03 PM
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    I have found the KDSS does a good job on mitigating body roll, nose dive. I wouldn't change it.
     
  3. Jul 9, 2024 at 7:03 PM
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    Its the same
     
  4. Jul 9, 2024 at 7:30 PM
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    Neither of my 4Runners have KDSS. I should have mentioned that. Sorry.
     
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  5. Jul 10, 2024 at 4:57 AM
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    The most cost effective way to deal with the nosedive is to replace the shocks. I have a 2021 OR and replaced the OEM shocks with Bilstein 5100’s with the front adjustable shocks set to the .85 lift setting. This firmed up the nosedive and leveled the front.

    Cheer’s
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  6. Jul 10, 2024 at 5:24 AM
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    What do I have to do to get the nose dive? I’m stock, and it has not happened.
     
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  7. Jul 10, 2024 at 5:31 AM
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    2016 & 2024 are the same vehicle. It should handle exactly how your 2016 did.
     
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  8. Jul 10, 2024 at 5:33 AM
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    I dunno. I have 176k on the original 2013 suspension and I'm not bothered by any nosedive. Could be because I don't expect sporty handling from a heavy SUV.
     
  9. Jul 10, 2024 at 5:55 AM
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    I can't stand the stock suspension on these things. Too soft allowing for a lot of body roll and nose dive under braking.

    OP I'd just throw on some bilstein 5100's if you're looking for a budget friendly solution.
    This should fix the brake dive issue and also allow some height adjustability.
     
  10. Jul 10, 2024 at 6:12 AM
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    I did the same, but used Eibach shocks, same setting. Very happy with the results. A little over 4 years with this setup.
     
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    Which 4Runner trim do you have?
     
  12. Jul 10, 2024 at 6:19 AM
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    Thank you. I’ll be doing something similar.
     
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    TRD Offoad
     
  14. Jul 10, 2024 at 6:50 AM
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    drive like an asshat? or maybe just be oversensitive and expect it to drive like a sports car?
     
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    You have to press hard on acceleration pedal between traffic lights and hit brakes in emergency-like manner. AND you have to have more sugar in your daily consumption so you will be irritated easily by the smallest things. Sugar is your answer.
     
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    That’s hard to do while keeping the green Eco light lit all the time…….


    Actually we have technology to avoid nose dives, roll overs etc. For street use only. We have a bobblehead Pug from MIB that has sat on our dashboards since the kids got it in a happy meal in the 1990’s. If he slides, it means mellow out. If he tips over, switch drivers. If he flys off the dash entirely, check for injury’s and call your insurance co. A nose dive would definitely be a “violation”.

    This process got us through three teenage drivers back in the day.
     
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  17. Jul 10, 2024 at 8:35 AM
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    I used to have it, but it went away. I guess the 4R trained me to brake even more gradually than I did already. Besides, I'm not in a hurry to need new pads and rotors.
     
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    Reminds me of initial D.



    The cup of water was used to show the weight transfer of the car. The goal was always to keep the water in the cup, even during the most aggressive driving.
     
  19. Jul 10, 2024 at 10:43 AM
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    Try driving around the Fort Worth area. Then you’ll get it back.
     
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    Check out tread depot if your in DFW. They are pros specialists on Toyota. They drive 4runners too.
     
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    Oscar is sending me a couple of quotes for full suspension.
     
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    Oscar is the man. Can't say enough good things about them. Consider Dobinson IMS for a mid priced suspension that's a lot of bang for the buck.
     
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    Tread Depot is only shop in DFW I trust.
    Oscar, Chayton and Pat are the people to see. They installed my long travel IMS suspension.
     

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    Mine has KDSS but still nosedives more than I would like. I will be upgrading the suspension in the near future.
     
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    I am able to anticipate my stops 99.9% of the time so nosedive is not a concern for me.
    I like the softness of the stock suspension, but I was raised in the 60/70’s when ride comfort was a thing.
     
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    Drive a Tacoma. Then, when you get back in your 4Runner you’ll think you’re faceplanting from the nose dive. :rofl:

    At least that was my experience. The first time I hopped in my 2022 4Runner after coming from two Tacos in a row, I was shocked by the nose dive. Then after that first drive I promptly forgot about it and have never noticed it since. (Although in fairness, I went with such heavy springs on my OME lift I don’t think you could push the nose of this thing down with an M1 Abrams sitting on it….)
     
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    I’m with you, I’d like a softer suspension if anything.
     
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    If you want to save some money, just put Eibach or Bilstein front shocks on (with your stock coils). Lift if you want (or don't). The rear shocks and coils can remain stock.

    Eibachs ride better than Bilsteins IMO.
     
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    That will be one of the quotes. Apache will be the other. They did the brakes on my 2016 this past winter.
     
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    I have the Apache UCA and they are beefy.
     
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