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2020 Price Increases

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by Troopert4r, Aug 1, 2019.

  1. Aug 6, 2019 at 5:23 AM
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    2016Pro

    2016Pro Why all of the Pro hate?

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    Who peed in your cheerios? Lol
     
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  2. Aug 9, 2019 at 9:11 PM
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    He gets like that whenever a Pro is mentioned. He can't help himself for some reason. Plays like a broken record.
     
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  3. Aug 9, 2019 at 10:09 PM
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    Hilarious! Don't think I said anything wrong but I know how some of you PRO guys get. An by the way I have the same vehicle as you without the appearance package, but it's called a Trail. It's the same vehicle, but I didn't pay thousands more for all the vanity. ;)

    If you read my posts without bias you would realize what I am trying to say. But I see you did exactly what I say not to do, so anything I say regarding a PRO is going to seem like an attack to you.
     
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  4. Aug 10, 2019 at 7:09 AM
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    Wally-For me to feel attacked by your comments, I'd have to be threatened by them, which I am not. You are just one of those dudes who always has to open their mouths even when not asked because you want to be heard. Perhaps you are still bitter about the financial trouble you found yourself in which is why you find yourself always defending the reason the bought the Trail vs Pro. Really...no one gives two shits.
    And for what it's worth I wouldn't buy the Pro again..but I am not telling people my reasons UNLESS THEY ASK.

    Live and let live Wally.
     
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  5. Aug 10, 2019 at 7:28 AM
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    MattMo Live every day!!

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    Nope! Couldn't be happier with her...
     
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  6. Aug 10, 2019 at 10:12 AM
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    Zero regrets. I had Android Auto in my 2017 GTI - lots of bugs, didn't work half the time. Gave up on using it altogether even before the free XM/Sirius 1-month trial ended if that tells you anything.
     
  7. Aug 11, 2019 at 2:51 AM
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    Oh people give a shit my friend, don't fool yourself. All I have to do is go against a PRO owner and they get all butt hurt or feel the need to attack me because my opinion is different than theirs, exactly what you did.......An I am not "defending" any reason for buying the same vehicle you have without the appearance package. I am simply stating if you are going to mod why pay for things twice? No financial trouble, simply financial smarts.

    My bad for trying to help people make a smart financial move.

    Live and let live Jack.
     
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  8. Aug 11, 2019 at 5:09 AM
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    2016Pro Why all of the Pro hate?

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    And he wonders why his wife left him lmao
     
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  9. Aug 11, 2019 at 5:21 AM
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    No regrets at all.
     
  10. Aug 11, 2019 at 7:06 AM
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    Zero regrets for buying my 2019.

    I had car play/android auto in my 2017 Fusion and never used it. The radio, while it has a small screen, doesn’t bother me as I listen mainly to talk radio and sports. I test drove a vehicle with the safety sense too, not a big fan.

    Overall, with the price increase, I am completely satisfied with not waiting.
     
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  11. Aug 11, 2019 at 9:39 AM
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    You are the last one to be handing out and or even suggesting financial advice so let's not go down that road.

    My point was no one really cares about what you (or I) think about Trail vs Pro (or any other trim level for that matter). If the specific question is broached then by all means offer up what you think is best. Much of the time people are going to do what they want to do despite any kind of advice. That holds especially true for car buying which in this case (enthusiast forums) becomes emotional. Also, you have no clue what folks income level is and if they decide they want the appearance package who the fuck are you to rant with your passive aggressive posts? Based on the frequency it makes you look small. For some the difference in money for the trim levels is a drop in the bucket and is vastly irrelevant to the overall health of their financial framework.

    So again, let people live with their decisions. No one likes a blowhard.
     
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  12. Aug 11, 2019 at 9:50 AM
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    Can I just say that I absolutely love our 2019 T4R.
    No TSS for us.
    It is the last dinosaur!
     
  13. Aug 11, 2019 at 9:53 AM
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    It's Like I bought last Gen of Tacoma 2015 B4 change. From All I read I'm sure glad I did that move! I know the 2020 4R aren't getting the drastic Eng. downgrade. Wasn't sure on the looks and I wanted on before my Tacoma hit 100k hence I bought my 2018 last December. Had dealer find what I wanted & got the deal I felt I could live with. Like I stated in other threads I never wanted a full 4 door vehicle BUT this one has defintely grown on me fast!! my 4th Toyota since 2008.
     
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  14. Aug 11, 2019 at 10:25 AM
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    Ditto.
    Mine is a slug and can barley get out of its own way, gas hog, and no new safety tech.
    Love it.
     
  15. Aug 11, 2019 at 10:31 AM
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    :bananadance::cheers::rofl:
     
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  16. Aug 11, 2019 at 7:27 PM
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    I respect what you are saying jack but this is a forum and everyone has a right to their opinion and has the right to express that opinion. So in a sense anyone who comments on this site is a blowhard in your context. When someone asks for advice on which trim to buy there is no reason why I can't throw my two cents in like everyone else. They asked...they obviously care what you (or I) think....It's not my fault some of the PRO buyers get butt hurt from my opinions and feel the need to attack me. An I am sorry you think I am being passive aggressive but I understand it's hard to get the full context of an opinion unless it's worded perfectly. Even then it could come off wrong to someone, especially PRO people for some reason. o_O. It's like texting, not the best way to communicate.

    I don't know why you say, "You are the last one to be handing out and or even suggesting financial advice so let's not go down that road."....do you know my financial situation?? No you don't. Live and let live jack.
     
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  17. Aug 11, 2019 at 7:55 PM
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    Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your comment, but aside from Toyota Safety Sense what makes the 2019 a dinosaur? Is there any difference (TSS aside) between the 2019 and 2020 models that makes one worse than the other?
     
  18. Aug 11, 2019 at 7:57 PM
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    No difference except the test and drive package(tss), push button start, apple/android car play, and quite a bump in price.
     
  19. Aug 11, 2019 at 8:04 PM
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    4Runner fun Just the beginning...

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    Just a few minor things for the DIY repair people.
    1. No key cylinder. If push button goes out. Pay to play! No easy fix.
    2. Push button entry. Again, key cylinders are a lot cheaper to replace.
    3. Most models come with dual zone climate control. Something else to break.
    4. I know I am missing some as they are not out yet. I believe the in cluster display is more graphic (again more expensive to fix).
    If (like us, someone keeps their vehicle for a period outside warranty), this all matters.
    Capability wise & in terms of vehicles; they are they are the same. Sans a few "tech" differences.
    Why I referred a dinosaur.
    Long explanation but I hope it helps.
     
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  20. Aug 11, 2019 at 8:16 PM
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    I'll let the record speak for itself. I am not going to re hash my position on this yet again. It's clear you failed to read my posts on this matter.
    I also don't want to drag your dick in the dirt of the financial stuff either. It's really none of my business and for that I do apologize.

    Will be my last post on this topic.
     
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  21. Aug 12, 2019 at 12:15 AM
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    Glad we can finally agree on things. Let's meet up for a beer sometime. :cheers:
     
  22. Aug 12, 2019 at 8:47 AM
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    I don't disagree with anything your saying (price to fix) but what are we going to do drive 1950's vehicles forever cause their cheaper to fix? Time and technology moves on part of life. Unfortunately everyone can hop on the bus or get run over by it.
     
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  23. Aug 12, 2019 at 9:09 AM
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    I have had an ignition key cylinder go out before. I had it replaced in on a customers street in 1.5 hrs with getting the part. If you are in a part of the world that doesn't have push button ignition buttons available. You must wait.
    To change a turn signal bulb in the T4R you pop a plastic hatch. Our Infiniti was insane!
    For a vehicle that most will spend a lot of time off roading it is better to follow the old saying "better safe than sorry"
    How about being in Moab & the dual zone climate goes out.
    Sometimes the old ways are better.
     
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  24. Aug 12, 2019 at 11:43 AM
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    You're arguing that new technology is bad because it can break. By that logic, you should be against the 4Runner having A/C in the first place, right? Automatic transmission, Independent Front Suspension, coil springs, disc breaks, power steering, manual locking hubs........all of these are advances that have replaced old technologies that have potential to break as well. Should we still be using leaf springs, drum brakes, and manual steering?

    For the people who don't want a push button start and dual climate zones, can't they just get the non-premium version? Thought I read that the non-premium versions came with a standard key and a "single" climate zone. I could be mistaken.

    Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that all new 4Runners will be coming with some new tech. Anyone who doesn't like it can vote with their dollar and buy something else. But it will be very interesting to see the sales numbers of the 2020's. It'll be hard to beat the last couple of years of 5th gen sales, but 2020 sales should give us a glimpse as to whether people are willing to adopt newer tech in the 4Runner or not.

    I'd be curious to hear what other vehicles are out there with simpler tech? I can't think of any off-hand.
     
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  25. Aug 12, 2019 at 11:53 AM
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    I am not arguing anything. You asked my opinion & I am giving it with examples.
    Not sure why you are so defensive.

    Why is the 4runner still on a frame? That is old technology!

    Yes, in an off road type vehicle I want just enough comfort to make it enjoyable (ac, power steering, live axles & disk brakes).
    I don't need blind spot monitoring, lane assist, cooled seats or other "things" to break that don't make the vehicle any more capable.
    You ask me a question & this is my final answer. I am not fighting about this.
    It is just my opinion.
    :cheers:
     
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  26. Aug 12, 2019 at 12:17 PM
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    I'm not defensive at all.

    I guess it's hard to tell over the internet, but I tried to construct my post so it didn't sound like I was on the attack. My apologies if I didn't do a good job at that. :cheers:

    Back to the issue at hand, I guess if you don't need those things, then you could just not fix them if they break, right? With the exception of the push start. I wonder if those have a higher fail rate then the traditional key??

    I on the other hand think they'd add to my enjoyment. No more constant key slap while offroading, auto braking for asshats that like to run red lights or deer that enjoy jumping in front of your car, a more modern screen that you can actually read.
     
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  27. Aug 12, 2019 at 12:20 PM
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    I assure you the “push button” start feature will not fail. After owning one for 5 years it is absolutely amazing. Toyota would not install it if it didn’t undergo proper testing.....I wore out the key in my 4R after 20 years..
     
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  28. Aug 12, 2019 at 12:25 PM
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    It may not be the push start.
    It could be the FOB. It could be a problem with the communication between the two.
    Our Infiniti had tons of electrical gremlins and that is a Nissan.
    Sometimes I just prefer to K.I.S.S. that way it is a cheap & quick fix.
     
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    You couldn’t “give” me a Nissan. Don’t like Acura either...
     
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    Just bought a 19 to avoid tss. I don't regret it. I plan on keeping it 20 years. Android auto and carplay will be antiquated by then if not in five years the way things are progressing.
     

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