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2019 horrible gas mileage

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010-2024)' started by Celly71, May 28, 2022.

  1. Jun 16, 2022 at 7:12 PM
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    I drive 80 miles each day to and from my work. 98% is hwy. My speeds range from 60-75 mph sometimes a bit faster, depending on how many police are out and about and also traffic flow. I have a bull bar (yeah yeah, I know), a hitch step, and 33" KO2s. I average from 18.7-19.4 mpg. I'm pretty happy with that!
     
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    I like the idea of a bull bar... It can save you from getting totalled in a simple parking lot accident...

    I'm truly curious if you were to keep it at 60-ish, I'd guess you'd easily be 10% better on the MPG.
     
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    The disdain for bull bars is strong in this forum. Mine is pretty solid, but even I wonder if it is going to cause more harm than good at times.

    Driving 60ish would definitely raise that average, but other drivers would have justified road rage directed at me...even the semis go faster than 60 mph these days!
     
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    Same here. 16-ish over the winter. 18.6-19.1 now.
     
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    Idk… after all that reading and not seeing a picture of the OPs rig I am starting to get really curious. I am fully loaded. Name the mod and I probably have it done on the 4Runner. I get around 11-12 mpg city and I have seen upwards of 14-15 highway and maybe more if not hitting up the hills.

    You can see my build thread here:
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    Sometimes when I'm on my way home from work and just winding down listening to a podcast I'll park in the right lane with the cruise set around 60. Nobody seems to care, and if they do, eff 'em, there are two other lanes.

    Of course the speed limit in MA is 65, and when I cross back into RI it's 55/50.

    I typically get just over 20, my last two tanks were 21.2.
     
  7. Jun 17, 2022 at 4:57 AM
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    Based on my own experience and the posts I've read in this thread, I see a trend...

    1. Lifted, large tires, big roof racks/items on the roof, and/or heavily modified 4Runners will likely see much worse mpg
    - of course each rig is different and combined with other factors (below and others) this may vary some, but overall, it appears that if I have a 3" lift, large tires, run with boxes or RTTs on my roof, I can expect no better than about 15-16 mpg and likely an average in the 12-14 range.
    - In this category, I must throw in the 'towing something' variable. I don't normally tow anything (but have the hitch and have/can used it), but a lot of folks here will tow something on a regular basis (ATVs, Motorcycles, boats, camers, etc). From what I read on this forum, THIS, combined with lifts/tires, likely has the biggest impact on our mpg. I regularly see folks reporting 11-14 mpg due to frequent towing. Our little normally aspirated engines just aren't very efficient at pulling a heavy load.

    2. Driving habits make a HUGE difference!
    - I have personally found, and it seems to be reinforced here: 50-65ish and no hard acceleration is the "mpg sweet spot". That's where I typically end up with 20+ mpg on a tank. On trips, I also tend to do a lot of "cruise control" driving where I will tap the "decel" stick a few times going up hill, and take it off cruise and foot off the accelerator to "coast" downhills. Getting use to this habit has netted me a few 20+mpg tanks. When I don't do this, I'm solidly in the 18-19 range.
    - City vs highway CAN make a difference, but it's so dependent on how much/often we drive in TRUE city conditions and pure luck (catching every green light?). I guess this can change a tank's average by as much as 3-4 mpg, but could only slightly put a dent in our average. Most people typically keep city driving to less than 50% of the miles on a tank? Maybe? YMMV (literally!)
    - I have personally noticed, as well, that ANY amount of off-roading time can put a big drag on mpg. 4WD Lo, especially, and when it's combined with large inclines, etc... all bets are off. I would venture to say this is comparable to towing, in the mpg department.

    3. Winter will almost always be worse than nicer weather
    - This is just common sense. In winter, there is much more "warm up" idling time, typically we are in a slight hurry to get to our destination and get indoors, so we will typically NOT pay as close attention to staying in our sweet spots, and we are usually running defrost, etc. Winter blends of gasoline and usually a bit less efficient, as well.

    4. Where we drive is also a BIG influence.
    - I think we all know that topography will make or break our ability to stay near the high-end of our average mpg. If you live in an area with few or no hills (and take the other stuff above into consideration), you'll be more likely to end up in the 18-20 mpg range. Throw frequent inclines and variable terrain into the mix, and it's more likely to be 17ish mpg - all else being equal.

    5. Other stuff....
    - Is your 4Runner maintained well? Fresh oil change, frequently rotated tires, clear air filter? Running "good" fuel and not the cheapest you can find? All these and other things can have some, albeit variable, impact.
    - Specific tire types. More aggressive treads, load ratings, inflation pressures, etc... all make a difference.
    - Some things that I have no idea if they make much difference: a. Running AC vs Windows down... is it a wash? AC puts more load on the engine, but windows and/or sunroof open negatively impact the aerodynamics... hmm. we need a study. LoL. ; b. load weight of occupants and equipment/gear. Simply put, how much weight does it take to make an mpg difference? If I'm alone (170lbs) and have no gear inside my 4Runner, is it more efficient than if I'm hauling the overweight neighbor and his family along with a bunch of heavy stuff inside. Where is that "tipping point"? ; c. Temperature / humidity? Is there a noticeable increase or decrease when we drive in 99 degree, high humidity conditions compared to a nice fall drive at 72 and low humidity? I know cool, moist air tends to make engines a tad more efficient than totally dry conditions, and extreme heat can have a detrimental effect on efficiency, but is it truly something that will raise or lower our average mpg?.
    - Tuning modules (Pedal Commander, Sprint unit, etc..). Will these help or hurt our mpg? I have avoided using one, even though I am less than happy with the pep of this vehicle. I believe that once I have more zoom available at my feet, I will very likely use it! And regularly!! But does it make it more efficient? I don't know. I would like to see data for a sample size of with tuning module and without.
    - I HIGHLY recommend using the Fuelly App. It's free. It does all the calculations for you - just put in cost of fuel per gallon, how much you put in your tank, and your mileage, and it tells you the real-world mpg for every tank and keeps a running average. I do this and reference my history frequently. When I make a change (tires, inflation pressures, fuel brand, long road trips vs city, trying a new driving technique), I can see over the course one just a couple tankfuls if it's making a difference or not. I've used it for my last several cars and I was able, in a couple instances, to notice that something was wrong before I had any fault codes. No change in driving habits and a notable decrease in mpg, I searched for and found a deteriorating component that hadn't fully failed, but replaced it and viola, back to normal!


    Bottom Line: There are FAR too many variables to say "Your 4 Runner will get XX mpg consistently". Some variables are highly predictable, some not so much. If we stick with stock heights and tire sizes, don't tow, keep our vehicles perfectly maintained, and live in the Mississippi Delta region, and never roll down our windows, and never exceed 60 mph, I'm sure we'll hit that high average (well, high for a 4Runner... 19-20mpg). Lift, tow, go off-road frequently, always in a hurry - passing everyone on the road, and live in Colorado... be prepared for that dreaded 14-15 mpg range.
     
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    Mods and driving habits definitely play a big role on MPGs. I would say the terrain does too. Living in New England with plenty of hills, I'll probably never match someone who lives in an area that's mostly flat.

    I have a 2019 ORP. Before my lift and larger tires, I was averaging ~19 MPGs/385* range on a full tank during the summer. The only time I've seen it higher was when I averaged 21/430 on a 22hr road trip down south.

    Now I have a 2.5" lift with 295/70R17s. I probably dropped from 19mpgs to high 15s/low 16mpgs. I also recently got the YotaWerx tune which is helping. At the moment, I'm averaging ~16.5mpg/349* range per tank. (and still slowly climbing).

    One thing that also helps is that I keep an eye on the current MPGs display. I don't drive or accelerate like a granny. I just try to stay light on the pedal at cruising speed.

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    * Numbers from vehicle's own calculations.
     
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  9. Jun 17, 2022 at 7:34 AM
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    With all of the re-gearing that people do, it’s a shame that we can just get something to help us cruise on the highway. Going 55-65 is almost impossible here, especially when we get out of the city and that MPH limit jumps to 70, 75, and even 80MPH in some areas…
     
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    Well, I have gone through a ton of changes in the past week. The 84k-mike 2014 SR5 is gone. The dealership that sold it to me did not have title, did not do smog and were in very big trouble with the California DMV. Well I didn't know how the full extent of how I could have "extorted" them, I was able to have them not only buy the car back at my original purchase price, but they did cover materials costs for things I did like new spark plugs, fluids, accessories, upgrades, etc...

    In replacement, I bought a 2020 TRD Off-Road to replace it. Making the changes on having a third row seat and opting for a four-wheel drive.

    The dealership was cool, but they failed to remove the dealer installed security system that I had requested be completely removed, wiring harness and all. Their technician who did that work was gone. My sales guy said they would pay to top off my gas tank for a return trip the next day. It is a 110 mile round trip...

    Being the gas was paid for and I wanted to run the engine hot to get all the crud burned out of the nooks and crannies, I decided to drive most of the way over 70 MPH, topped out at 80 a couple times and maintain 75 MPH for extended periods...

    This heavier (4WD), slightly larger-profiled 2020 got 21.7 MPG. The car has roof rails, but no cross bars, the all ABS plastic running boards and all-terrain tires, not the heavy knobby stuff... It also has that hood scoop that makes a ton of noise, but doesn't seem to have any practical use other than posing...

    I will get many opportunities to test out my MPG using my typical grandma-speed approach in the coming days and weeks, but if it's going to get that good of a gas mileage "flying" on California freeways, I am encouraged.

    As an aside, of my last five used Toyota purchases made, three of them were at or below Kelly Blue Book for private party values. Those three were at dealerships part of the Wilson Automotive group in Southern California. All three of them were made post-pandemic. Jus' saying'...
     
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    No reason you can't just sit in the right lane with your cruise set it whatever speed you want. Where I live the speed limit is 65, people typically go 75 at least, and I just sit in the right lane with cruise set between 60 and 65. If people behind me don't like it, there are two other lanes they can use.
     
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    Oh, I enjoy that.

    They can flash their headlights all they want with two or three open lanes to the left. But what I enjoy even more is when the freeway expands to even more lanes, I will always move over to the far right lane and then suddenly the car that's been trailing me with the two open lanes for the last 4 miles suddenly accelerates when I get "out of their way." There is something wrong with a person who does that, whether it's critical thinking skills, observational skills or something else that is affecting their judgment.

     
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    It’s anger.. there were like 3 road rage shootings in south Houston in one day last week. People are just so pissed off. Wonder what led to that…
     
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    There's a few highways near me that narrow down to two lanes. Lately, it seems like everyone in the right lane only does 45mph, while everyone in the left is doing 80.
     
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    I often park in the right lane and go 60-70 and let other people do whatever they want. I agree that folks who tailgate in the right lane definitely have issues. It's similar to the folks who drive really slow and then speed up after you pass them. :der:

    Today, I drove ~110 miles to visit family, and was cruising around 65 in a 70 zone. I actually had to pass a number of vehicles that were driving even slower than me.

    One especially stupid driver was a guy towing a pontoon boat. I decided to slow down a few MPH and stay behind him because there was a lot of faster traffic passing. Then, he slowed down even more, so I passed him and resumed my original speed. Then, he passed me, but slowed down and matched my speed for a minute or so while others were stuck behind him, unable to pass.

    I can't figure out what motivates people to drive so stupidly.
     
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    It is the same mindset that turns off critical thinking skills. It also motivates people to own pets so they have they have power over another living being because they have no power over their own life.

    Being an a-hole is some people's only place in the world.
     
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    shoulda got a prius

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    I was at a dealership today and was speaking to a body shop estimator who showed me a series of pictures of the new hybrid Tundra and Tacoma frames with the hybrid engine system and battery locations. They looked like real photos as opposed to renderings. To be honest, the 4Runners' frame didn't look like the trucks', this could be another big change. Or maybe it was just the angle of the picture

    Having a V6 Toyota 4Runner with the 5-speed 750 transmission is going to be the "good old days" in a year...

    The V8 will be replaced with a V6 turbo, the V6 will be replaced with a 4-cylinder turbo. I can tell you this much, Scotty Kilmer is right: Turbos have a shortened engine life.

    The only turbo that I've ever remembered has not being problematic was a turbo diesel Mercedes engine from ages ago. Early to mid 80s or something like that (in a 220TD, I think). Those cars could go forever, I think turbo diesel doesn't thrash the piston rings and seals as much.I'm sure there's a few turbos that can get to 200,000 miles, if there are, they're probably Toyotas.

    I have a Prius and I really don't want to buy another hybrid. The gas savings are nice (at 50,000 miles and averaging 55+MPG) but the car was $8,000 more and will require more service effort at a much earlier stage. The stuff will just keep adding up. Instead of just flushing the engine coolant, you've got to flush the engine and hybrid system cooling systems. You're going to have more problems with head gaskets and build up in the engine because of all the up and down hot and cold, stop and go cycles of the engine... All of that heating and cooling cycle stuff wears an engine's gaskets and seals out.

    I do like the hybrid CVT, no filter, nothing special, just 3 and 1/2 quarts of standard WS transmission fluid and two new crush washers every 60,000 miles..
     
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    If we're including diesels, what about Cummins? My Mom's BF has one with over 800K miles on it. A 5.9, late 90's.

    I wouldn't worry too much about what Scotty Kilmer says. I don't believe he's any sort of expert. Just an opinionated guy with a YouTube channel.
     
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    4 pages into a mileage thread, and I only saw two Prius comments. Must be a record!
     
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    Is the Cummins a turbo diesel? If so, putting a turbo on a diesels is probably much better thing than a gas turbo.

    I've watched enough turbo gas engines (namely German badges) die at the hands of my friends... Toyota going with undersized turbo engines for EPA reasons is just a bad move for the consumer.
     
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    Yes, a turbo diesel. I realize gas and diesel engines are different, but I don't think a turbo engine is inherently unreliable.

    Did your friends modify these turbo engines? Let's not compare German vehicles to Toyotas. German vehicles aren't generally known for their reliability.

    I'm not a huge fan of adding complication. But, I am a huge fan of getting way more usable torque while also getting better fuel economy. It's going to be a few years before we really know how these engines are going to hold up.
     
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    Those were a hell of a good engine, not the fastest or anything by any means, but very strong and reliable along with the old 7.3L ford diesel. As for Scotty well he’s a different breed of a guy who lives by clickbait you tube videos hah.
     
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    A guy I work with has a ecosport with a 1.3L 3 cylinder turbo I believe? Thing sounds like it hates life already he has 40,000 miles I think on a 2019 or so.
     
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    One-at-this-price stripper. Bought new 33 yrs ago, a $13K leftover. Added Detroit TruTrac, 1”rear spring spacer and “pinstripes”… Factory AC kit and roof rack bought at dealer cost at time of purchase, still blows ice cold 32yrs later. 2022 AG ORP all stock.
    The newer Cummins(Ford&GM too) have a variable geometry turbo rather than the old school fixed vane types. The variable geometry allows for the best of both worlds, they act like a smaller turbo at lower engine speeds and spool up quick and at higher engine speeds they can pump like a large turbo. The problem with them is when the variable mechanism’s moving parts get gunked up with soot they get stuck in one position, not to mention issues with humongous EGR coolers getting clogged and the evil DEF regeneration system throwing codes.
    The older 5.9 Cummins (pre 6.7/DEF) have fixed turbos that last forever but lack the high/low variable luxury. If I were buying a new tow vehicle I would probably go back to gasoline. DEF/stricter smog requirements have/are ruining modern diesel trucks IMHO. Your mom’s BF will make a million miles no problem, just change the oil.
    Trivia: the 6 cyl 5.9 weighs 1,200lbs, 300 more than a iron V8 big block (454)GM which in itself is a heavy engine. The 5.9 bottom end is massive, hence the 3,400 rpm redline. My Cummins is a terrible wheeler, the front sinks like a rock in soft stuff but will tow a house and not break a sweat.
    The new Tundra turbo/complexity convinced me to buy a 5th gen rather than wait for a turbo 6th, which was the original plan a year ago……

    Edit: the old saying on Dodge Cummins….it is the best hotdog you’ve ever had wrapped in a moldy bun….
     
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    I tend to agree with Going with a gas engine as well as all the emission stuff has now ruined new diesels pretty much (cost, reliability, maintenance) unless you are towing 15,000-25,000 pounds all the time and the trucks making you a lot of money and the extra torque is needed, or you can just afford the upkeep. A lot of people just buy diesels to be the ‘cool guy’…my co worker purchased a 2008 F250 king ranch. Beautiful truck from Texas but absolutely murdered his wallet and savings account (6.4L diesel, third engine). Of course it has the tuner, big exhaust lift and tires and all the deletes. Someone romped on that thing had there fun and now it’s his.
     
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    Thatbassguy New member? Really??

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    Agreed about newer diesels. Unfortunately, new emissions equipment have screwed things up. I wouldn't buy one unless I were towing heavy and often.
     
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    2ndGen22re Goldie, my 1st love & my new kid…

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    One-at-this-price stripper. Bought new 33 yrs ago, a $13K leftover. Added Detroit TruTrac, 1”rear spring spacer and “pinstripes”… Factory AC kit and roof rack bought at dealer cost at time of purchase, still blows ice cold 32yrs later. 2022 AG ORP all stock.
    Sorry I got off subject.
    So far in my one month old 4R I am getting ~19mpg and that’s at 5,000 ft elevation and am going to keep it stock for the foreseeable future.
     
  29. Jul 30, 2022 at 7:41 AM
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    Lol. No.
     
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  30. Jul 30, 2022 at 7:42 AM
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    2ndGen22re Goldie, my 1st love & my new kid…

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    One-at-this-price stripper. Bought new 33 yrs ago, a $13K leftover. Added Detroit TruTrac, 1”rear spring spacer and “pinstripes”… Factory AC kit and roof rack bought at dealer cost at time of purchase, still blows ice cold 32yrs later. 2022 AG ORP all stock.
    I take it you are in upstate. I was born in Syracuse and grew up on the Finger Lakes(Cayuga).
     
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