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'18 Limited wheel help

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by Murray, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. Dec 4, 2018 at 4:31 PM
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    Murray

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    Hi All,
    I'd like to swap out the stock 20" Limited wheels for 17" TRD wheels. I'll deal with tires afterward but mostly wanted to make sure they fit. The Limited rims seem to be narrower and I'd like a wider stance. Also, is there a market for selling the 20's? Any advice?
     
  2. Dec 4, 2018 at 4:34 PM
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    I paid $675 shipped for my limited rims. I actually like the way the narrower rims track and sit under the fender better. But I’m putting my stock 16’s on for the winter....
     
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  3. Dec 4, 2018 at 4:43 PM
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    That’s without lugnuts. Had to keep my stock 96’s...
     
  4. Dec 4, 2018 at 4:49 PM
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    I'd prefer to keep the 20's for snow tires, but I'd really like to know if I can put TRD 17's with a 265/70/17 on the Limited with no rubbing.
     
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    They will rub on the limited.
     
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    I have the OEM Toyota TRD wheels and 265/70/17 BFG KO 2's on my completely stock 2017 limited. 16,000 miles with absolutely zero fitment/rubbing issues. So no they will NOT rub on the limited.
     
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    Factory offset on the limited is 15mm, tire size is 245 width. TRD rims have 4 mm of offset plus tires are almost an inch wider. They will rub with this tire width and offset on a limited, its minimal at full lock and can usually be fixed by liner trimming. There is a reason the limited comes with a 7 inch wide rim and 245 tire while all the other models are 265.

    Also for a winter tire in a 20 inch you have TWO choices to choose from. I decided to run 17 inch steel rims from Toyota with studded Hercules avalanche extreme tires with no issue
     
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  8. Dec 10, 2018 at 12:46 PM
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    Not to be a creep, but would you mind sharing a pic?
     
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    Does the limited have a different liner or something different around the wheel wells than the other trims have? The TRD rim is also a 7 inch rim but as stated the off set is different. I wouldn't think a stock size rim and tire from a different trim model would rub on the Limited but it will be interesting to see who is right here...:duel:
     
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    Doesn’t make sense that so much would change to force a different wheel/tire setup. It should all be the same in that area

    Edit: The 2012 sizes. The vehicle would be designed around the larger wheel and smaller/narrower wheels substituted accordingly[​IMG]
     
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    You cant talk tire size without talking rim offset, the two go hand in hand. Positive offset closer to wheel well and negative offset brings wheel outwards, backspacing plays a role as well. So running a 265 wide tire, instead of 245 (.79) of an inch wider, and combine that with a rim offset from +15 to +4 (TRD pro rims) will rub at full lock, no sword fight needed.

    Now I am running a 265 wide tire on the limited for winter, but with proper offset it will NOT rub.
     
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    What I was saying is that all of the trims have the same wheel wells, so your rubbing should only becoming from your choice of tire (if you are using any of the stock wheels). Am I missing something?
     
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    Answer me this. Why does the limited model come factory with tire width of 245 but all other models come standard with 265. If all wheels are 7 inch wide, 5.5 backspace and 15mm offset and all of the trims have same wheel wells?
     
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    No you aren't. The only way you will run into trouble is with back spacing. Using a rim with less offset will allow you to use a fatter tire. Since the limited rim has a lot of offset you have to use a skinnier tire. The only question I have is if the wheel wells are different on the Limited? Which I don't think they are. Also the Trail/Offroad rims are 7.5"
     
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  16. Dec 13, 2018 at 1:04 AM
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    In that conversation it doesn't mention what brand of tires are used. Also tires from different manufacturers of the same size can vary in size....see link. So that could be why this person had an issue. Honestly I think if you stick to stock size back spacing and tire size even if you have a minor rub, in reverse at full steering lock, it will be easily remedied.

    https://www.tirebusiness.com/article/19990705/ISSUE/307059973/same-size-but-different-dimensions
     
  17. Dec 13, 2018 at 3:34 AM
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    It does, owner specifically states Nokian rotiva tires, he is running 265/70/R17 tire size. Stock width on all models, except the limited which has 245. Both 245/60R20 and 265/70R17 are identical in diameter but vary .76 in width.

    It's incorrect to state that running lower offset will allow a fatter tire. With the limited that's exactly what's creating rub in reverse, going from 15 to 4.

    As I stated I am running a 265/70R17 tire on my limited without rubbing but that relates to my rim offset.

    Running a 265 wide tire(and I understand tire width varies by manufacturer) on a limited with the popular TRD rims (17x7 +4 offset) will rub.

    No one has yet to answer my original questions to as why the limited trim package comes with 245 wide tires instead of 265 assuming engine, drivetrain, wheel well etc is all the same.

    And by suggesting I stick to stock size, should I only run a 245 wide tire on my limited? Or with 15 offset, 4.5 backspacing 17 x 7 rim jump up to a 265 wide tire with no issue

    Thanks
     
  18. Dec 13, 2018 at 8:47 AM
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    The point of that link I posted was even though the tire states the same size from any given manufacturer, the diameter can vary up to an inch either way. That is a lot!

    For example...A 265/70/17 from BFG can be an inch taller or an inch shorter than say a 265/70/17 from Hancook. The regulations allow this variation to be legal and part of the manufacturing process.
     
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    Fair enough. But someone please tell me why the limited has 245 wide tires?!?! A lot of other models run the same offset +15 but with 265 wide. Thanks
     
  20. Dec 13, 2018 at 5:38 PM
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    Well I believe it's like you said, with 15 offset the tire has to be skinny or it will rub.
     
  21. Dec 14, 2018 at 2:45 AM
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    Normally, I would agree with you. However, you can see from attached image that all three factory rim options ( 2 17 inch and 1 20) all have the same offset, +15. The TRD pro rims are the only ones that differ at +4.

    One model is running a wider rim, 7.5 inches, with the same + 15 mm offset. Assuming same backspace that would make the problem worse.

    Is it possible due to styling the limited has different wheel wells, maybe different brake calipers etc.
    IMG_9313.jpg
     
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