New competition? At least it’s not a 4 banger

True. It's the same with Jeeps. But, I wouldn't personally want to drive a heavy, slow SUV if I didn't have a use for one.

Sure. I've never said that a Subaru can't get taken off-road. I've even said that a Subaru could probably handle the amount of off-roading that a lot of 4Runner owners will do.

But, there's no comparison in off-road capability. A Subaru would be completely useless for a lot of what I do with my 4Runner.

 

It’s not all about you.

 

Yes it is!

JK

It's come up a bunch that a lot of folks just want a rugged looking SUV. One could even argue that, if it weren't for that part of the market, they'd probably discontinue the 4Runner altogether.

 

True. There definitely aren’t enough real off-roaders out there to dedicate a vehicle to.

 

Majority of people, myself included, would consider these reliability issues.

 

Have any of you driven the new Passport Trailsport? If so how was it?

 

Lol. Ok.

 

I drove it when we were buying our CRV a couple months ago. It's actually pretty nice and smooth. I personally don't like the push button shifting. But the rest was actually smooth, confortable, technology there.

 

I didn’t know it had push buttons. I’m not a fan of that 1970’s fad crap.

 

Not a fan. Cuz I'm old and hate change! And a trampled lawn!

 

But everyone here says no one cares about 0-60 times whenever it is pointed out that the 6th gen hybrid is slower than the 5th gen.

 

I was expecting the buttons to be on the dash. That looks really dumb having it on the console.

 

I don't. I wasn't the one who brought it up.

 

I think so too. And i know it's training myself, but i just didn't like not having the stick there.

But to give a positive and not be a total downer, it does clean up the console.

 

I like the Passport. Really though they should just move it to a column stalk at this point like Benz.

 

Driving it was a dream. Just except that one Damn mental block i didn't like.

 

Interesting that you opined the Standard Outback is slow, yet it's only a few tenths behind the 6th gen IForce Max that is world renowned for its superior drive "feel" and olympic towing prowess, while in fuel economy it gets 26/32 in mpg in the base engine configuration.

I don't personally buy subarus but it is clear why many buyers prefer them and cross shop them heavily with the turbo 4 6th gen.

 

I assume you meant to quote me.

But, again, I don't give a shit. And, I'm not the one who brought it up.