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Oil Filter Cap Assembly ?

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010-2024)' started by Muniac, Feb 9, 2023.

  1. Mar 16, 2023 at 6:30 AM
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    glwood54

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    Some say it presents the possibility of an oil change tech over tightening it, making it next to impossible to remove on the next change. If you do it yourself, no problem. Others have had the plastic one for 200k with no issue. You decide.
     
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  2. Mar 16, 2023 at 2:40 PM
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    According to the Car Care Nut, disassembling the housing to swap the tube ruins the housing. In his words, “They are not serviceable.” Admitting my hubris in advance, I will say disagree with the Car Care Nut on this and think that the tube (and spring!) can be transferred from the plastic housing to the metal one.

    That said, I have yet to see a compelling reason why you’d want to.
     
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  3. Mar 16, 2023 at 2:57 PM
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    Just did first oil change.
    I see no reason to change to a metal cap. The way the o ring goes in this housing will not leak, no need to be tight just snug.
    Can't figure out what the metal pointer tab is for
     
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  4. Mar 16, 2023 at 3:38 PM
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    You’re supposed to line up that pointer tab with a metal protuberance on the engine block/housing that you screw the cap into. You’ll be amazed if you do at how much tighter the cap could be. But as you and others have mentioned, the seal comes from that o ring, not from threading the cap on tight.
     
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    I really think the bottom line of the whole issue is this:

    There’s nothing wrong with the OEM plastic cap if you don’t act like a total idiot. You can even be a partial idiot and it could outlast the rest of the truck.

    The metal version is in theory better because it’s less prone to cracking if you are an idiot. But there’s the hassle of swapping over the tube. And at the end of the day you’ve gained basically nothing over a plastic version that’s treated with even a modicum of care.
     
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    The silver clip on the black plastic oil filter cap helps keep the cap from spinning off should it be under torqued during installation. This is generally not a problem because bottom of the ladder Toyota Lube Techs are not hired unless they can demonstrate the ability to tighten the cap to 6001 ft-lbs (screw Newton meters). 6001 because they have to be better than Quickie Lube guys who tighten to 6000 ft-lbs.
     
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    As stated here, there are lots of 4Runners and many other cars out there with tons of miles on them that have a "plastic" cap. I personally prefer the metal one, so I have it. I think it is easier to clean (spot oil leaks, etc),the housing and threads in and stops more positively at the recommended torque setting. Besides, Lexus includes metal caps, so it must be an "upgrade", right?
    As far as ruining the housing if you swap out the spring and tube, I'm going to agree with the comment above about disagreeing with the Care Care Nut on this specific issue. I suppose it is possible for someone to ruin things doing this somehow (maybe not bending the tabs back to secure the tube after the swap?)and that's why he said that.

    If you are really concerned about it, I am 99.9999% positive that there is a part number out there for Lexus that would be a direct fit with no swapping of tubes. It has been a while, but I'm pretty sure I did that. The only possible variable then is the spring rate since your tube and housing would be the same spec. As noted above by the OP, the springs are the same in his opinion. I tried to test them with a spring pressure gauge and didn't come up with any consistent differences over a series of measurements.
     
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    Just curious on why some folks change to the Alum one? Is it because their plastic ones got stripped from over tightening? Since it is under the skid plate, I assume it is not for “more protection”.
     
  9. Jan 31, 2024 at 6:01 AM
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    From what I've read, some break off the ears of the plastic one when trying to remove it after a shop has overtightened the filter housing on the previous service.

    With the right filter housing wrench, that can definitely be avoided.
     
  10. Jan 31, 2024 at 8:41 AM
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    Do you have the part # for this direct fit aluminum housing? I would greatly appreciate it if you can provide it.
     
  11. Jan 31, 2024 at 8:49 AM
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    I had bought one to replace mine then changed my mind after watching the Car Care Nut video. Fortunately it was still on the shelf when I stripped the nut on the filter drain plug on my last oil change. Now I have the aluminum one installed.
     
  12. Feb 1, 2024 at 8:42 AM
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    I have 180K on my 2011. I JUST changed out the filter housing to a new OEM. Not because anything was wrong, but because I figured it deserved a new one. And, that many heat cycles might have a detrimental effect over that much time (not proven). Look, Toyota engineers are very smart. If they had intended to install an aluminum or metal housing, they would have. In my mind, I don't have any reason to argue with them.
     
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    Agreed!!!
     
  14. Feb 2, 2024 at 5:08 AM
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    Agreed!
     
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