Whereabouts Unknown: Gen6

Indeed that 4.7 does have a fine 12V system with a pretty cool starter motor.

 

Not sure about "cool." But, the original starter on my 2UZ was still good at 257K miles.

 

I’m still puzzled how we were led to believe by Toyota that an updated, reliable, and EPA-approved V6 was no longer an option.

And this past week, we get confirmation that the 2026(!) Honda Passport will have…a DOHC V6.

Sigh.

 

Honda does not make any real trucks.

CAFE is based on the average fuel economy of the entire lineup.


Also,

The Passport's V6 makes peak torque at 4700 RPM's, which is pretty useless for towing and off-roading. Maybe Toyota wanted to give us more usable power than that.

Given the choice between a high revving V6 and a turbo 4 that has plenty of usable torque, I'll take the I4.

It's not about whether or not it's an option. It's about whether or not it was the better option.

 

I guess humans are easily led, and it takes real effort to think.

 

Yep, a high-rev V6 is not the answer, which is why the 3.5 in the Tacoma got a bad rap. Toyota certainly can engineer a legal NA V6 with a favorable torque curve. A lot of current V6 owners suspected that the 2.4T is mostly about cost-cutting & platform-sharing at Toyota, and Honda’s decision seems to vindicate them.

I’ve driven the new Tacoma. The turbo impresses down low, albeit a lot of credit should go to the extra gears. I would suspect that for a lot of current 4Runner owners, the ability to create more torque just off throttle may not be enough to overcome its inherent lack of NVH suppression, or very big questions regarding long-term reliability.

 

Toyota could have kept the 1gr 4.0 v6 for the 6th gen technically since most of their fleet is so low emissions but they said they wanted to streamline production and keep costs low that’s why all their suv and trucks (well the body on frame ones) are all on the tnga platform and that’s why the Tacoma and 4Runner will be almost 100 percent identical this time. The last gen to those who don’t know the Tacoma had the 2gr 3.5 v6 to get 1mpg better on paper

 

Show me a N/A V6 that makes over 300 LB/FT of torque below 2000 RPM's and I'll believe you.

Also, If they could have done this, why haven't they already?

Toyota has always used engines in multiple vehicles. I'm sure cost was a factor, but I'm not sure how Honda continuing to use a V6 in a completely different vehicle proves anything.

Where/when has Toyota said this? Or, is it just more speculation?

I do agree that production cost probably was a factor.

But...

Does anyone actually think that the average consumer would prefer a gas guzzling V6 with mediocre power over a fuel efficient engine that makes more power? Does anyone actually think it would have been smart for Toyota to keep using the 1GR, from a business perspective?

 

1 MPG better than what?

 

Then the 1gr that’s why while the 4th gen 4Runner and second gen Tacoma had the same 1gr the 5th gen 4Runner got the dual vvti updated 1gr and the 3rd gen Tacoma didn’t keep the 1gr but went with the sienna 2gr since it got 1mpg better and since way more Tacomas sell than 4Runners that 1mpg makes a huge difference

 

Yeah, that makes sense. But, I don't think anyone here would want the 3.5.

 

I theory it should be as reliable as a battery powered drill. Of course that will never happen because these new trucks are designed by computer geeks that love the unnecessary technology and gadgets

 

If they kept the 4.0 and mated it to a 9 speed transmission it would have gained some mpgs.
Look at what the Nissan Frontier can get out of its NA V6. 310 HP and 24 mpg.

 

It's not reliability that would concern me. It's the hours of charging it would add to longer road trips, and the overall inconvenience.

 

That would depend on how much better mpg it actually gets in the real world and how much more money it costs upfront to purchase. I’m pretty sure most people will be disappointed with both of those items.

 

I don’t think that’s much of an issue now with fast charging.

 

Until they can get me 300 miles of range in 5 minutes, they're still not there.

 

I can't argue about the cost factor. New Tacoma pricing has gotten pretty high.

As far as real world MPG, we don't really know about that yet.

The one thing we do know is that it's a massive improvement in power. And, I doubt anyone is going to mind that.

 

Check out some of the guys doing coast to coast EV races. Short charging stops staying in the middle of the battery range is key.

 

I don't care.

300 miles in 5 minutes. That's what I need.

 

Take a look at the Tacoma mpgs from actual users. In terms of power from someone that’s owned a couple turbo vehicles if you are actually using that power then it’s eating a lot of fuel.

 

Good luck.

 

Thats fine for most people using vehicles with charging infrastructure nearby, but not so great when the 4runner is being used long distance in the middle of nowhere, for longer periods of time.

Electric drivetrains are fine, but the problem for a 4runner type vehicle is where you get the energy, and not being to take an extra 5 or 10 gallons of gasoline’s worth of energy with you. Which brings me rightback to being totally ok with a diesel-electric

 

What do you mean? I get this with the 4Runner already.

 

You just need to tow a trailer with a diesel generator.

 

Eventually we will all be in EVs.

 

On average, the ones on fuelly.com are all under 3,000 miles, so not even broken in yet. I don't think we're getting much reliable data at this point.

 

That doesn't mean I have to like it.

I just checked on Tesla's website and even with a Long Range model 3, I would spend over 6 hours charging on a trip to Florida. No thanks.

Hopefully by the time I don't have an option anymore, I will either be living there full-time or have a lot more free time on my hands.

 

LOL! Over my dead body.

 

Hmm, let me think a minute….

if we can get a 4 wheeled trailer that has a 3d articulated hitch with driven wheels… yes, yes that will work just fine . We can call it the Overland Train Runner!