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Lift Kit Ideas/Suggestions

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Backslider, Jul 19, 2017.

  1. Jul 19, 2017 at 6:19 PM
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    Considering putting a small lift (~3") on my wife's 2017 SR5 Premium. Wondering if you all fine folks have any good suggestions.

    I am not too keen on spacer lifts. I have a Toytec Boss 2.5 kit on my Tundra and am considering trying something else out. I don't need to spend a ton of money as this is 99% a pavement princess and this is primarily for aesthetics at the request of the missus (should have bought her an Avalon).

    Anyone out there have good/bad experiences? I'm currently leaning toward the Bilstein 5100's front and rear.

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  2. Jul 20, 2017 at 5:19 AM
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    I too am interested in a mild lift. 2" is enough, and need something that will work with KDSS.
     
  3. Jul 20, 2017 at 7:04 PM
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  4. Jul 20, 2017 at 7:24 PM
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    Add me to the list -- looking for 2" lift. Had a spacer lift in my Limited which was ok, but thinking of toytec boss or ultimate for my new one-- a 2017 Off Road w/KDSS.
     
  5. Jul 20, 2017 at 7:37 PM
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    I have a 2016 Limited and I just did a suspension lift. Front: 2.5" Bilstein 6112, Rear: 2.0" Bilstein 5100 and OME medium coils.
    I also went from 20" to 17" with 285/70/17. Shop is working on making modifications/cutting on how to make these massive wheels fit. If he can't make it work, going to 275.
    Will post pictures after done.
     
  6. Jul 20, 2017 at 7:45 PM
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    Shouldn't need any mods to fit 285 with a 2.5" lift. You can damn near cram them in with no lift.
     
  7. Jul 20, 2017 at 9:50 PM
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    Well on Limited version you do need to cut. Limited front is completely different than all other 4r, bigger wheel will rub...
    anyway for some reason the tech wasnt able to finish alignment, he said it's not working out?!, I left my car there, going there first thing in the morning. :(
     
  8. Jul 21, 2017 at 4:51 PM
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    5100's should be fine for you application. Just make sure you do coils in front with them instead of using the shock perches to gain lift. Ride comfort will suffer if you use the perches. I am about 90% on road daily driver and some FS roads every so often on the weekends and my setup is perfect for me. Remember you may need upper control arms to keep your alignment in spec. 285's should fit without much issue, I only had to trim some plastic.

    I have:
    5100's front and rear
    Wheelers T1 Coils in the front
    Wheelers T13 coils in the rear (had spacers on the back previously and they were just fine actually)
    Camburg ball joint upper controls arms.
    Gave me 2.5" up front and 1.5" lift in the rear.
    285/70/17 Nitto Ridge Grapplers load range C

     
  9. Jul 21, 2017 at 10:14 PM
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    Switched out OEM shocks to install Bilstein 5100 Series Shocks all around with Daystar 1.5" Rear Spacers; I kept OEM coils for now but adjusted front to keep factory vehicle rake. It's approximately a little over 2" lift, was very affordable and rides great.

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  10. Jul 21, 2017 at 10:21 PM
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    Nice, I appreciate this info. I was unfamiliar with Wheeler's until your post, this seems like a good mix between economical and effective. I very well may emulate your building here..
     
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  11. Jul 22, 2017 at 10:08 AM
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    I just bought the 612's for the front 5160's for the rear SPC UCA, and Wheeler rear coils, I haven't installed them yet but as soon as I do I will report.
     
  12. Jul 22, 2017 at 5:02 PM
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    I'm a little late to the suggestion party but I think your best is the Bilstein 6112's on the front and 5150's on the rear. They are pretty much maintenance free and will be an improvement over the stock equipment. I have the Toytec Superflex 2" coils on the rear and I think they ride great. If you stick around 2" you can get by without upper control arms but it's not a bad idea to get them. I'm looking at getting the JBA high caster UCA's. I had SPC UCA's on my previous Tacoma, and while they worked fine, getting them aligned was a bit of a headache as most shops have never seen adjustable upper balljoints.

    With that whole kit you're looking at less than $2k for a super solid lift. You could swap the 6112's for 5100's on the front for some cost savings, but 2.5" diameter coilovers are whats up.
     
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  13. Jul 24, 2017 at 8:49 AM
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    While I agree that the 6112's are a better shock than the 5100's do you think the OP really needs them for his wife's rig that is going to be a 99% "pavement princess" (his words not mine)?
     
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  14. Jul 24, 2017 at 9:39 AM
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    Yeah, we may be on the occasional dirt road but really have no plans to do anything serious.

    Honestly when we got it she said she didn't want a lift. I immediately upgraded wheels and tires. After a few days she wanted running boards... now she has running boards she says it looks silly without a lift.

    I have Toytec 2.5" / Radflo coilover on my Tundra, with the Boss w/ reservoir shocks on the rear, lifted 3/1.5" with Zone Offroad ultra beefy UCAs and a ton of other stuff ive sunk a bunch of money into to. Hoping to not have to do too much to the 4runner as it steals funds from my truck.. ;)

    I just got a quote for $1150 for Bilstein 5100s all around, OME 3" springs up front with a very small spacer in the rear to avoid an ass-up rake. To me this is pretty economical and should suffice for our use, which is almost always street driving with maybe an occasional easy trail when camping or something.

    I'm pretty new to 4runners and appreciate the good advice from everyone. Probably going to get this scheduled... went up on size a little with the new tires on the 4runner, hoping after a lift it still looks good and I don't need new tires again.
     
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  15. Jul 24, 2017 at 10:00 AM
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    Seems like a good plan. Does that price include install or UCA's? At a full 3" up front you will most likely need UCA's. Also with 4Runners being level at the fenders doesn't mean you are "level". The rear fender is actually taller then the front, so if you try and level the fender gaps then you will be sitting ass low actually. For a full 3" lift up front you will probably need 2" spacers in the rear to stay level. I have 2.5" front and 1.5" rear and I sit perfectly level at the frame but my rear fender has a larger gap than the front. Good luck!
     
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    That price does include installation, but does not include upper control arms. I figure the caster will prolly be a little bit out of spec with 3" of front, I will correct that later when I get UCAs.
     
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    No I don't think there is a need but I'm a man of excess. :)
     
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    3" lift but mostly all stock not a scratch on it it is pristine condition amazing for being 19 years old.
    if you are putting in a lift kit 3" is kinda the unwritten rule any higher than that your suspension parts will wear out prematurely not to mention the ride quality will suffer.LARRY B.
     
  20. Nov 25, 2017 at 11:32 PM
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    I've been keeping a pretty solid path of indecision when it comes to upgrading my suspension. I finally threw on some SCS wheels and OEM size Bridgestone ATs, and due to the added offset I'm getting some rubbing at full lock at the front. So now I'm finally convincing myself to pull the trigger on a suspension to add just a little height. I'm leaning towards the 6112s and 5160s. At most I might lift it 1". I want to continue parking this thing in my garage and I'm doing the install myself. I'd rather avoid doing UCAs and dropping the Diff, etc. but I am looking for a better performing suspension for washed out and rutted dirt roads.

    Anyone have experience with the 6112s/5160s? If I'm lifting the front all of an inch, are there even spacers that are that small for the rear? Do I even need to lift the rear? Might go with Wheelers T13s for 1.5" in the rear, but I really don't want to start making this too complex.
     
  21. Nov 26, 2017 at 10:26 AM
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    I used an adjustable coilover (Fat Bob's Garage Vated springs over Bilstein 5100s - not using the 5100 perches, just the extended shock length) and set the front to ~2". The rear is untouched. Running 275/70r18 BFG KO2s and I think it's pretty much perfect.

    I would personally avoid spacers if you are looking for anything other than a strict pavement princess, Bilstein 5100/5160/6112s or another reputable coilover will be much better in the long run. Fat Bob's Garage is an awesome choice (ran them on my Tundra before I upgraded to Toytec 2.5 kit) and currently run them on the 4runner too. The other day it finally rained/snowed and I took the 4runner on some rutty dirt roads FAST and these coils feel amazing @ 2".

    Differential drop is simple and takes 30 minutes. Shouldn't need UCAs @ 2" up front, which will almost perfectly level you out.

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    How'd it go? Like the suspension?
     
  23. Nov 29, 2017 at 8:10 AM
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    Just purchased 5100's all around, Old Man Emu 2884 Front Coil Set, Old Man Emu 2895E Rear Coil Set... Some people are saying to get UCA's and some people say no... I would hate to go to an install spot, begin the install and they tell me that UCA's are needed then the whole process gets delayed.... I was thinking about getting SPC UCA's...
     
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    SPC are ok. Check out JBAs for a high performance and pocket friendly solution as well. =]

    http://jbaoffroad.com/toyota/4runners/jba-upper-control-arms/show/all.html
     
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    They aren't needed to simply drive the rig away from the shop. The only thing you are risking by not having them installed with the lift is the cost of an extra alignment.

    Have them install the lift without UCA's, then go and get it aligned. If it aligns within spec and it's driveable to your standards then you are good to go. If not buy some UCA's and bring back to the shop to have them installed, then pay for another alignment, and enjoy your properly lifted vehicle.
     
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    i feel like just getting the UCA's and doing it right instead of risking a chance with having to go back again, pay for another alignment, and just have to wait even longer... the anticipation... hahah
     
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    If you have the coin, do it right the first time IMO. Post pics when it's done!
     
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    already got the UCA's in my cart ready to purchase hahaha
     
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    You don't need UCAs on a mild lift. It's wasted money. I promise you, at 2.5" ish you will be fine with stock UCAs.

    As far as alignment, the hot ticket for guys who lift is the "lifetime" alignment at Firestone. Possibly other retailers offer it, as well. Get an alignment whenever you want. Costs about double a regular alignment... but if you are going to be lifting and playing around with options, it's a real money saver.
     
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