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Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by LandCruiser, Oct 9, 2021.

  1. Oct 11, 2021 at 1:03 PM
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    The Toyota that we all know, will never do it. Their reputation for reliability and durability is way too important for them.
     
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  2. Oct 11, 2021 at 1:37 PM
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    And I appreciate that. Every Toyota I've bought since my first in 1982 was purchased with reliability as requirement #1.
     
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  3. Oct 11, 2021 at 1:39 PM
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    Yep, that's why we buy Toyotas. Can you imagine how pissed we will be after the transmission in our Toyota goes out at 30k miles. That fun car won't be so fun anymore.
     
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    The new JL are loaded with issues italians screwed up lol I’ll take my new 4R any day over a new JL
     
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  5. Oct 11, 2021 at 7:55 PM
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    Agreed... I know I'm late to the party, but my grandfather had a Toyota Crown Royal Saloon. (Yes, that was the edition) 1982 was the year, and of course, this was overseas. I remember when he bought it, the thing drove like a real luxury car... I couldn't even hear the engine or the transmission shifting. He then bought my grandmother a 1983 Cressida, and maybe that was one of the reasons for my parents purchasing the 1988. Yes, I did like the Cressida for the 2.8 Straight Six. They did change to the 3.0 Straight Six in 1989. They were definitely great cars.

    The new Corolla's are sporty too. Yeah, as far as Jeeps, I would never buy anything made by Fiat Chrysler. My neighbour just got a new Jeep Gladiator Mojave. Looks cool, but you know it's not going to be long before something breaks. (And he traded in his 1991 Tacoma for this)

    Cheers,

    Sean
     
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    Jeep was for sale at one stage. Toyota should have bailed them. But then, Toyota is a beast in offroading itself.. They would never give the name Toyota to a Jeep.
     
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    This generation of millentials will appreciate an old boring Toyota once termimators and zombies chase them :D Land Rovers will break down. Even if not, terminators will control them :D
    Stick to your 4Runnners folks!

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  8. Oct 11, 2021 at 8:26 PM
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    I believe they kept making the Crown until recently. Or, maybe they still make them. :notsure:

    They mostly used the same engine as the Cressida, but I remember reading that one model came with a tiny (2.6L?) V8 in it. The MS75 (1971-I think) hardtop is a fantasy build for me.

    If your parents had an '82 there's a good chance it had a 5M-GE 2.8L I6, which were bulletproof and super smooth. That's what was on the Cressida at the time.

    The 2.8 (5M) was actually a better engine than the 3.0 (7M) because every 7M was manufactured with improperly torqued head studs, so the head gaskets went anywhere from 75-150K miles on average. If you replaced the head gasket and torqued it properly, I believe it solved the problem.
     
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  9. Oct 12, 2021 at 5:32 AM
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    brownersd You are the weakest link, buh-bye!

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    Absolutely mate, my grandmother's 82 and parent's 88 (which later became mine) had the 2.8, which was indeed bulletproof. I do remember hearing about the 3.0's in the 89-92's that had the head gasket problems. Didn't know that it was due to the improperly torqued heads.

    Yes, they actually still make the Crown. I was in Japan on holiday in 2018, and there were quite a few of them around. I wish they had brought them to the US. I am guessing that they didn't see any profit point here.

    Cheers,

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    I originally thought maybe because it was too similar to the Cressida. I assume they discontinued the Cressida in order to not compete with Lexus.

    Either way, they're cool cars!
     
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    This. I read so many reviews on 8 different SUV's in the end nothing could touch the 4R for reliability, capability and cost of ownership.
     
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    Yea, electric brake is a dumb concept, what happens if your battery dies, or when you change rear brakes? Either power the electric motor with swapped negative and positive (after disconnecting the vehicle wires), or get an expensive scan tool to reset the electric e-brake position.

    Or those double flap filler necks (thank God 4runner doesn't have either electric e-brake and that stupid filler neck), when that goes bad bye-bye couple hundred bucks... And it doesn't even have a physical cap, so dust gets on it and then in the tank, you need to get creative and make one. That is what I call overthinking, even if they argument it as "safety features"...
     
  13. Oct 12, 2021 at 2:21 PM
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    I certainly dont want to insult any accountants, but that is where I think the idea of electric parking brakes come from. It’s a great idea to simplify production, Im also sure it’s cheaper.

    From an engineering standpoint, I’d like to think most engineers would consider making an emergency brake system that has more dependencies than a cable system to be dumb. But I didnt even stay at a holiday inn last night, so what do I know.
     
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    The electric brake locks the rear discs, it doesn’t use a secondary drum system.

    Yes, if you want to roll your vehicle, you would have to attach a battery to it to either start it or at least power the electrical systems to disengage it.
     
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    I too, never got the electric (and even automatic parking brake) concept. I like manually moving things... Electric=something else costly to break.

    I look at the Land Rovers and laugh.... They are made in the UK, and growing up, they were solid vehicles... Solid vehicles that were always in the shop, but nevertheless. Now that Tata has taken over years ago, they focus on sleek, but in all honesty, still rubbish... I have always wanted one until I drove one years ago... I'll pass...

    Cheers,

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    Correct, electric ebrakes have a motor that is pushing the rear caliper piston. When water gets in there, I think it is likely to require changing of the caliper and motor, which would not happen with a conventional parking cable. What is nice, at least on the Ram Rebel we have, is that if you have the parking brake on, seatbelt on and engage in D or R, the parking brake disengages itself. Also, if you get out of the vehicle and leave it in N, the transmission switches itself to P and applies the electric parking brake by itself. This is a nice safety feature that is an absolute annoyance when going offroad and open the door to take a look otuside (while slowing rolling forward), because it just stops you still (ebrake and switch to Park).

    The issue with electronic ebrake is that if I want to change the rear pads, I need to unwind the electric spooler that pushes the caliper piston, otherwise the new pads (thicker than older), won't fit. To do this, you either need a scan tool that is usually 500 +, either to power up the motor + to - and - to + so it spins in in reverse (which could cause some MIL codes since the computer could see the position of the piston changed). It is probably a cheaper solution overall, since cable + shoes + mechanism/handle is more expensive than a plastic cap with an electric motor in it, but it is definitely not as long term reliable. On the other hand, who keeps a vehicle more than 10 years nowadays, most people sell them before. I still prefer to keep old school proven technology and not make everything computer controlled. That is one of the reasons I actually got a 4runner and not a Rubicon or something else.
     

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