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Eibach vs Dobinson vs OME vs Toytec *Edit*

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Barcelona Trail, Jun 21, 2018.

  1. Jul 24, 2018 at 3:47 PM
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    I did not get the reservoirs - just twin tube gas shocks and the teal springs. I wish the shocks were black instead of yellow, but I'll survive. I'm actually excited for the teal coils.
     
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  2. Jul 24, 2018 at 4:30 PM
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  3. Jul 25, 2018 at 11:33 AM
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    Hey I just read through this thread and since it applies so much to what I'm currently going through I wanted to offer some real world insight into Toytec, specifically their "best" system - the boss 2.5. I purchased the whole system in fall 2015 and had them professionally installed (for warranty reasons should I need to go for one down the road). I had some issues with a clicking in the front passenger side shortly after install. I troubleshot it and could never get it to go away. I talked to Toytec about it - they blamed the UCA (total chaos) and my kdss which I found both to be bogus. In less than a year I decided that the front end was too low in comparison to the the rear after I added a bumper and winch so I asked the dealer to load up the coils and get me back up to normal height. The dealer couldn't get them to move - the collars were completely corroded and the allen set screw (which is an unlike metal to the collar, always a big engineering no no and since then have changed their design) would not turn at all. To further the pain one of the shocks (the driver) was completely blown out and leaking profusely. The passenger (noisy) side was not leaking at all. I called up Toytec as I have a bunch of issues - one noisy, one needs new seals, can't adjust the collar. This is all within a year and Justin @ toytec tells me that they noise isn't their fault, they are meant to lose oil during each stroke/cycle (true but a miniscule amount not dripping in my driveway while not in use), and that the collars not adjusting is not their fault either. Literally zero ownership when all I suggested was to send them back on my dime and have them do some r/d work and see what is going on - kind of like a pilot program. I even arranged to be without a vehicle for 2 weeks. Justin was hostile, aggressive and I just said the hell with them and lets see how long I can tolerate this setup while I save back up to replace them. Fast forward to this past weekend - I bought Fox 2.5 remote resi DCS coils for the front and when I went in to remove the driver it came out easy (remember the dealer had that one out fall 2016 so about 20 months ago) but the passenger had completely failed where the bolt goes through the bottom of the coilover into the LCA. That was where the noise/pop was coming from since a couple months into this setup. It moved so much and did so much damage that I had to cut it out and it took hours to do. I also ruined the opportunity to have them rebuilt or given away to a new t4r/fj owner looking for a free lift. Bottom line Toytec does not stand behind their marginal products, the do no r/d, they have no interest in learning from their customers failures and they cost as much as the fox I put in! Steer clear.

    I have less than 50 miles on the Fox and it's at the dealer being lined up but I can tell you this - HUGE improvement in ride on road, I can't see how they won't be as good but likely far better offroad. Also the reason I purchased these is because in calling around all over California to send the toytecs to be rebuilt the rebuilders were like ohhh we hate doing the toytec / Sway away coilovers because there's many different rebuild kits and my next question was so you rebuilt a ton of coilovers eh? Shop: Ya couple hundred a year. Me: Who's are the best overall from valving to durability to rebuild ability. 3 out of 3 shops said Fox #1 then in general they varied for 2,3,4 but they usually said Fox, King/Icon, ADS/Dobinson, then a far gap to the rest. Just wanted to share my very recent experience. Wish I had gone this route from the beginning.
     
  4. Jul 25, 2018 at 12:17 PM
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    Sorry about your experience with Toytec. When I was having issues with the 2.5s on my Tundra Toytec wasn't hostile, but they certainly weren't responsive or helpful either. Basically told me to figure it out.

    I see you're in Utah? There are a few of us from this amazing state. Hope to see you contribute to our our Utah thread here: https://www.4runners.com/threads/utah.5359/

    Welcome!
     
  5. Jul 25, 2018 at 12:46 PM
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    Thanks for the welcome. I'm not altogether mad at Toytec, they just wouldn't listen to what I, the dealer, other Toyota gurus were saying and didn't want to meet me even midway. To be honest despite it costing me a grundle of time and $$ I've learned a ton, learned a lesson, and not being able to rebuild them has helped me move on. I really can't say enough about my new ride - picking it up from the dealer in a few hours and going to take it to Jackson on Thursday for a long weekend with some light off roading planned.

    I live in SLC, thanks for the utah thread I just looked through it and I'll contribute on there. Cheers!
     
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    We went with Dobinsons on both the 4runner and tacoma. Mike with Dobinsons USA was great to work with.
    On the 4runner, we did a 2" lift set up for the extra weight of the drawers and gear in the back. It rides smooth on road and off road. We liked the yellow and teal. It looks good with the nautical blue.
    On the tacoma, we went with the heavy duty rear springs and 2" lift in the front. Do to all the weight we carry in the bed ( average 600#) the heavy duty springs hold the weight great. Rides good on road. Little stiff with the bed unloaded.
     
  7. Jul 25, 2018 at 8:05 PM
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    Skier... THANK YOU! SINCERELY, I very much appreciate the time you've taken to share your experience. It's unfortunate to hear of your circumstances and the lack of help from Toytec. That being said, your situation, along with the MANY good accounts of Dobinson set ups, have me where I was hoping to ultimately get to.. ready to buy, DOBINSON! The only decision left for me to make is to see if theyre making monotube resi for the T4R. Am I to presume that the monotubes are generally able to be rebuilt? If not, itll be the standard twin tube gas charged. After that, its simply a matter of finding the best price (and shop in Denver - Slee, RSG, other??). Also - thank you Backslider, JBTRD, Bill, PoolGuy, and TackleB
     
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    So, how did the Dobjnsons work out for you? My brother has OME on his 5th Gen and I really like them, but I’ve been thinking of trying the Dobinsons on mine. I’d love to hear how you like them.
     
  9. Nov 14, 2018 at 7:03 PM
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    The Eiback front springs are 660lb and they have 4 perches on the shocks mine are set at second notch with heavy summit bumper and winch.

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    Which Toyota Dealership did Install for you? They said they were able to keep the Warranty in tact right?
     
  11. Mar 9, 2019 at 12:34 PM
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    Hello: Been watching this thread for a little while while preparing to buy a set of Dobinson's. I'm new to idea of any kind of lift to a vehicle. I have a 1999 Surf/4Runner. I'm planning to get the 2" set front and back. Is there anything else I will need to do to the Surf to accommodate the lift? Or will it be fine the way it will sit. I don't anticipate using a larger set of tires...is this a mistake? I think the clearance will be useful for some of the off-roads we travel here in Mozambique, Africa. I don't really understand exactly how this lift will impact road manners. Also, on what basis would I need to buy their Front Strut Mounts? Do the old ones fail? How would I know if they need to be replaced?
    Thanks for input.
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    You shouldn't have to do anything extra for a 2" lift. Are you replacing springs and coils? If so it may be worth purchasing the top plates and having them assembled before they are shipped to you.

    On the road I think you'll enjoy the change. It will firm up the ride and you'll get less body roll.

    Get the lift in and then decide if you want larger tires. It wont be a problem if you decide to stick with the set you have on there.
     
  13. Mar 9, 2019 at 3:08 PM
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    Thank you for the reply. simply helpful. I haven't ever replaced this kind of setup on the front (or rear too). Is it dangerous to try to replace either front or rears yourself? I have a shop here that could do the work for me (awaiting their quote), so not sure if I need Dob's to do the pre-assembly. I do plan to replace everything all the way round...it's 20 years old after all. And the ride needs fixing and I've worn my tires prematurely I think. Probably needed to do this two years ago.

    Am also wondering if there would be any restriction on packing them in checked luggage. A friend is flying to South Africa in a week or so and it's a heck of a lot cheaper to buy stateside.
     
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    @Firstoneman, we put the same Dobinsons suspension on my son's 4runner. It's great. The on and off road ride quality and capability is has been improved. Its been 2yrs. and no problems with the lift or the 4runner. He keep the stock size tires, and it looks good. The front came up to 36.5", the rear came up to 37.75". With the drawers we built and gear the rear dropped to about 37". The best thing to do is talk with Mike at Dobinsons USA, and tell him what your looking at and how much weight you will be carrying.
     
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    There is some danger involved in compressing the springs to get the top plates off and on the assemblies. It's safe enough if you use the tools correctly and keep your body and head out of the way. I would watch some YouTube videos and figure out if it's something you're comfortable with doing.

    It can be difficult with the standard McPherson strut compression tool to get these heavier duty shocks to compress as far as you need them to. Its joy impossible but it can be a pain in the rear.

    I imagine your top plates are fine, but new are pretty cheap and this way you done have to disassemble the old shock assembly. To me it's worth getting the new ones.
     
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    Definitely get the front pre-assembled. Not to hard to to yourself of you have the tools for it.
     
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    I spoke with a guy named David there. He pointed me in the direction of the particular part numbers. These setups are almost 75% more down here...not installed. Am trying to figure out if I can do the removal & installation myself? I've done a lot of other work on my 91 chevy 1/2 ton & my 1994 Suburban, etc...but the suspension on those is set up quite differently. The Dob price is a bit more than I (and my wife) intended to spend but from what I've read here and other places this is the set up I really believe I should go with.
     
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    thanks again.
    So if the top plates are installed, then it's a matter of unbolt the whole original assembly and bolt on the new assembly - minus the danger of spring compression because the top plate holds the springs under compression on the strut assembly? Is that correct?
     
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    Exactly. It's fairly straightforward just pulling the old assembly and dropping the new one in.
     
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    I don't know about the 4Runners but the Surfs from Japan have the tire mounted on a swing out mount (so can open the rear hatch), on what is the rear passenger side in USA. That side of my Surf, and I've noticed many others here, sags down. I carry some safety gear and have toyed with idea of designing a set of drawers and putting a rack with recovery gear on top and also a ladder with jack, etc... So weight is going to go up. How much weight do you think you added to help load the new springs/shocks...?
     
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    The rear is easy. On the front to make it easier, disconnect the lca at the lower balljoint so it can swing down, and give you room to remove and install the front struts.

    You will be happy with Dobinsons. I also have it on my Tacoma too. I went with the heavy duty rear springs because I haul 600-700lbs. almost daily.
     
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    Sorry to keep after it...what about the rears? Will i need a spring compressor to safely remove the rear springs? And how about getting the shocks in - anything special on the rears?

    Has been answered by PoolGuy...thanks. Only need to know about the compressing the rear springs to safely remove...does that need to be done?
     
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    Bummer. Discovered that shocks are prohibited items in checked or carryon luggage. Argh...spent a lot of time trying to arrange it all. I can at least get the better price on the coils. So can't get the fronts delivered pre-assembled. Back to the question about removing the rear springs...does it require spring compressors to remove them? Thanks much.
     
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    The rears, no. Just lift, support the 4runner from from the frame, remove the wheels, start unbolting shocks and anything else you need to while you lower the axle with with a floor jack.

    The front you are going to need spring compressor. Can you just have your friend ship the kit to you through a freight company like DHL?
     
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    Fyi, Eibach can be found much cheaper then 1900.

    FYI x2. You don't need a spring compressor to assemble the front shocks. Spare jack stand (or something to hold up the hub) and a jack will get it done.
     
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    FYI x3
    *** Basic concept, do work at own risk and skill level. I am not a certified tech, nor did I stay at a Holiday inn express last night***

    Get the truck up on stands
    Pull tire
    Loosen the ABS wire from UCA link (to gain extra slack)
    Remove sway bar link
    Loosen upper shock nut (center one)
    Place Jack stand under wheel hub and Jack under lower ball joint
    Remove the two bolts holding hub assembly to the lower control arm
    Mark alignment sleeves and loosen the lower control arm bolts.
    Lower jack/ lower control arm.
    Once the spring is fully decompressed, remove lower shock bolt
    Remove strut
    Install new strut, torque lower strut mount
    Lift the LCA back into position using the Jack to compress the spring
    Torque the two lower ball joint bolts and LCA bolts (making sure alignment marks are in place)
    Torque top shock nut
    Install sway bar link and ABS line
    Remove Jack and stand from under the hub/ lower ball joint
    Mount wheel
    Second side is the same.
    Put rear up on stands and remove wheels (I kept the Jack under the diff)
    Remove sway bar links
    Remove upper shock nut
    Place Jack under other side shock and lift until coil spring is free
    Remove lower shock mount and spring
    Install new spring
    Install new shock, torque lower mount to spec
    Lower jack ( hope spring staid in place)
    Tighten top shock nut
    Repeat on other side
    Install sway bar links
    Mount wheels.

    Get truck alignment

    I used 3 Jack stands and two jacks

    Plenty of tube vids for reference
     
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    Thanks much for the install detail...didn't mean to ignore you. I've been involved in some relief work these past few weeks where a powerful cyclone (hurricane) hit in Mozambique. Surf has been least of my concerns for a while now since it was not in use.

     
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    So...I finally go to buy the shocks and springs and the supplier in South Africa is out of the front shocks (has full rear setup and front springs only) and won't get them from Australia until after I leave for US for two months. Any suggestions for alternative shocks to pair with front springs? Or is it a bad idea? The day after I return to Moz I will have a road trip and some activities to attend (which involve light off-road driving) and will not have time to think about installing all these parts. Best if I can get it done before I leave for US...
     
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    Check to see if Eibach, Bilstein, or Old Man Emu makes shocks for your specific truck. Any of those will work. Eibach is my personal preference because I like the valving on them.
     
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    I'm going to check on the design of the Dobinsons shocks and find something that is similar in design - progressive, digressive or linear. Can you tell me what Eibach or Bilstein is? I did a quick search and couldn't find any statement about this characteristic for them. It's super late here and I've really got to get some sleep. Thanks for the input. (edit: just found comment that Bilsteins are digressive).
     
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