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Eibach vs Dobinson vs OME vs Toytec *Edit*

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Barcelona Trail, Jun 21, 2018.

  1. Jun 21, 2018 at 5:04 PM
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    *I have KDSS and will need a driver side spacer with these applications, correct?*

    All 4 complete kits (3/2 lift) include struts, springs, SPC UCA, complete INSTALL, and ALIGNMENT...

    - 80 percent daily driver
    - 15 percent moderate to high speed dirt/mud trails
    - 5 percent rocks (maybe, though maybe not at all)

    **overall ride quality is of the utmost importance - I've focused on engine mods and aesthetics thus far... pedal commander, intake, throttle body spacer, exhaust and rims. Now its time to take ol girl off road! The possibility exists that I'll add a C4 bumper (or similar) so I may have to consider 700lb springs or adjustable struts (eliminating Eibach - I believe).

    $1900 for Eibach Pro-Truck (2.75/1)
    $2100 for Dobinson (2.5/1.5)
    $2200 for Complete OME (ARB not Bilstein)
    $2800 for Toytec Boss 2.0

    Given the details and price difference, what are the thoughts and opinions out there? Reasons for particularly strong opinions are greatly appreciated!
     
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  2. Jun 21, 2018 at 5:49 PM
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    Just installed the toytech boss, with 700lb with the sso simline bumper and winch, pretty satisfied, granted just had it installed today, but i chose toytech over other brands just because they are toyota specific, and saw nothing but great reviews, OME tend to be a little stiff from what i read
     
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    go with Toytec, you will be happy.
     
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    Go with the toytec adjustables. I had the ultimate setup on my FJ. After installing my steel winch bumper and winch and putting a few months on that setup I had to crank the front coilovers up it had sagged so much. You can always go stiffer on the OMEs to counteract that, but like the other poster said I always seem to hear guys say that they are pretty stiff.
     
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    I have the very expensive Toytec 2.5 Radflos on my Tundra, and they rode terribly harsh. Control and "connectedness" to the road was great but they felt like shit.

    I'd choose OME over Toytec. OME has been around forever and really know what they are doing. Toytec is a smaller operation that is relatively new.

    You should also consider Dobinsons.
     
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    Toytec has been around for about 15 years, ONLY product is for toyotas, they dont do any research or development on any others just toyota.

    oh BTW, toytec doesnt make radflo, they just sell them. they didnt do the R&D on them.
     
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  7. Jun 22, 2018 at 7:03 AM
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    I don't think they do much R&D on Toyotas either. They contract out to Radflo who DOES build suspension components for other brands. Not that this is really a reason why a company would be good or bad at something, but because you mentioned it.

    I would challenge you to go find someone with Icons or Kings, which are similarly priced at the same performance point, and do a ride comparison both on and offroad.
     
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    Dobisions is a great brand, OP for the set you are wanting to run with a bumper a full 3” set will run about $1400. I was really considering them, only reason i did not was they are really new to America, although really well know in Australia, and i wanted adjustable since i will be adding more weight in the future.
     
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    this right here, just proves, you dont know much about toytec, and the fact that you have no idea, what suspension's Ive had on my 3 different 4Runners, where Ive wheeled/drove, how many miles/trails Ive put on them. With that said. Im done.
     
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    Not sure why you're mad..? Just my opinion based off of MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

    Have you tried other suspensions to compare to? I have.

    You didn't even attempt to counter my truthful statement about Toytec's R&D..
     
  11. Jun 22, 2018 at 9:00 AM
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    Ric and Backslider...
    I appreciate your opinions and contributions to the thread. Please dont turn this into a pissing contest. You've each spoken to your personal experiences and thats exactly what I was looking for. Thank you
     
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    LoL. I see the 'if you're not running the most expensive widget your truck sucks' is alive and well on this board as well. :)
     
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    I hope that's not a reference to me.. I'm literally recommending two cheaper alternatives to Toytec, that I believe function better.

    Further, Icons and Kings are comparable in cost to Toytec...

    I am currently running the Fat Bob's Garage version of your suspension, @tackleberry1145. Adjustable coilovers built around Bilstein 5100s. Wheeler's t13 coils in the rear with Bilstein 5100s. I don't think you need to spend a ton of money to get amazing performance. That's one of the major reasons I'm not a fan of Toytec - they are pretty pricey for the level of performance you get out of them.

    When I was running the Radflos on my Tundra I honestly got a better ride out of the Bilstein 5100s at less than half the cost.
     
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    Anyway, I'm going to bow out. Seems saying that there are better options than Toytec is not a popular opinion around there.

    Any of the brands the OP has listed are going to be functional and good both on and off the pavement. The only thing left is to consider ride quality, cost, and customer service/support. You honestly can't go wrong with any of them - there are just minor differences in performance.

    I'm about to swap everything out front and back for Dobinson's. I don't need an adjustable coilover as I'm pretty happy with 3/2 and don't plan on changing it once I'm there. I need some medium/heavy load coils now as I have added more weight to the vehicle. Dobinsons offers an amazing product at a fantastic price. Definitely worth checking out.
     
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    For the record, Toytec doesnt NOT build/make radflo. not at all, they just resell them.. :facepalm:
     
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    Dude.. that's EXACTLY what I just said. :crazy:
     
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    Bump... added Dobinson lift to the initial question
     
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    I remember someone telling me that Toytec is a subsidiary of Eibach... is this true? Wouldnt be a problem for me, ive had Eibach and Suspension Techniques equipment on japanese sedans in the past
     
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    I dont think Toytec is owned by any other company. They may, as many other companies do, contract with Eibach to produce their coils. I know Wheeler's has Eibach make their coils.
     
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    not even close, they lied to you.
     
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    Not even close? They're Bilstein struts... figured that out, not difficult, 2 clicks on google. Paired with, wait for it.... Eibach springs (as of course you already knew). But yeah, not even close. I know, I know, the struts and bushings do all the work and the springs are just going along for the ride
     
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    Barcelona trail, you are not, worth anymore of my time. have a nice life.
     
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    For what it's worth, I have the Toytec Ultimate 3" and 650# front springs with an SSO bumper and winch. No sag in the front, good ride though more firm than stock, and at 1,300 it is cheaper than anything you listed.
     
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    I think he's including UCAs and rear suspension as well.

    This thread is so salty and I don't even get why!
     
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    The Toytec Ultimate includes rear suspension, but for the price I gave, it does not include UCA's. Total Chaos UCA's would bring the price up to a little over 2,000. SPC UCA'a would leave the price at 1,835.

    Not trying to be salty, just trying to give my personal, limited experience.
     
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    Oh sorry - I didn't mean YOU were being salty!

    Just in general in this thread.
     
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    Appreciate your contribution BIll, thank you! Is there a difference between your Ultimate and the Boss 2.0 setups? 5100s? Im looking around now....

    The more I look at Toytec setups, the more I like their Boss 2.0 Coilover kit. That said they are more money, trailing only King and Icon (though I am of the opinion you generally get what you pay for). I want to be able to choose one of the AUS setups, though they have their drawbacks as well. And I cant argue that the Toytec red coilovers would look the best on my rig (not so sure about the yellow and green Dobinson set, but maybe). And Toytec is in Denver, a quick ride for me. Its a give and take and $400 wont be the reason I choose a setup.

    **BackSlider is correct, the prices I listed include SPC UCA, AND Install/Alignment. Complete set up, out the door
     
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    Ric? Really? Im the bad guy? In that case, let me be the first to apologize to you. I am sorry.

    And what time are you referring to? I requested detailed and/or reasoned opinions with substance related to suspension systems. Everyone else who contributed referenced specific experiences and reasons for their choice of set up. Your responses were 1 liners and/or flames that included head slap imojis directed at others (myself included) who had questions about Toytec. Clearly you're a Toytec guy, many people are, great, they put together quality kits, using other people's stuff (incl Eibach). But to act like you were somehow wronged during this discussion, well, Im not sure there are words that properly express how that is received here
     
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    I just got word that my Dobinson's order is finally shipping tomorrow. Maybe I'll get installed this Sunday (Saturday is UTOR Expo!)

    If you haven't pulled the trigger on anything yet I'll be able to give you a pretty good review over the next week or so!
     
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    I have not pulled the trigger.. that would be awesome, please! Did you go with the single res or twin tube and are you getting green springs? I think the black/purple single w/ res and the green shocks look sick! The yellow double with green is cool too, its just that my rig is red
     
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