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Dobinsons 5th Gen 4Runner Suspension options

Discussion in 'Exit Offroad' started by Crikeymike, Apr 23, 2020.

  1. Apr 23, 2020 at 1:58 PM
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    Crikeymike

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    Hey guys, my name is Mike Tomczyk (aka Crikeymike). I've been in the 4x4 industry since 1998 and have always preferred to focus on suspension for 4x4's, since it's something you'll feel every single time you move your vehicle, whether driving to work or home, or offroad for the weekend. Everyone has their own build plans for their vehicle, so no same combo of parts is necessarily right for everyone, which is why we offer such a variety - to get you exactly what you're looking for!!

    I've been blasted with a lot of questions recently about our suspension offerings for the 5th Gen 4Runners, so I figured it's time to make a specific post about all that we offer. We can lift anywhere from 1.0" to 3.0" with coils and struts/shocks, and we can put together a specific package for whatever you want/need, including the added weight you've added to your vehicle.

    Added Load Weight.
    How much extra accessory weight have you added to your truck? Did you add a 150LB front bumper and an 80LB winch? That's constant weight, and will change which coil to buy.
    Did you add our drawer system (hopefully) to the back end (150LBS) or a steel bumper with swing out tire carrier (200LBS)? That will also change which coil we would suggest.
    You will want to consider that weight before ordering. If you order a heavy load coil without a heavy load, be warned that it won't ride as it's supposed to and the lift height will be incorrect.

    Contact me directly if you have KDSS and I can walk you through our options for that. FYI, vehicles with KDSS should add our 15mm spacer (PS59-4025) onto the rear passenger side to correct the lean that usually happens on 1.5" or more of lift in the rear.

    Full suspension builder page is here, with every part number and option offered for a 5th Gen 4runner: 5th Gen Suspension Builder Page

    Click on each part number to be directed for further information

    Front Coil Options, even height left to right. KDSS vehicles over 2" of lift should add PS59-4030 1/4" spacer to passenger side strut mount to correct the lean
    C59-238 - Stock front end, low height lift, 1.0"-1.25" lift. 375/375mm, 17mm wire, 586LB
    C59-296 - Stock front end load, 1.4"-1.5" lift. 378/378mm, 17mm wire, 586LB
    C59-300 - Stock front end load, 1.75" lift. 385/385mm, 17mm wire, 586LB
    C59-302 - 100-220LBS heavy load front weight, 2" lift. 395/395mm, 17mm wire, 586LB
    C59-302 - Stock front end load, 2.5" lift (or comfort option C59-448 for 3" lift). 395/395mm, 17mm wire, 586LB
    C59-314 - 80-150LBS medium load front weight, 2" lift. 405/405mm, 17mm wire, 586LB or these same coils will give 2.5" with light front accessory weight of 50-80LBS, or 3" of lift with no front accessory weight.
    C59-352 - 200-240LBS heavy load front weight, 2.0-2.25" lift. 385/385mm, 18mm wire, 730LB

    ***2.5" or more of lift, new UCA's are recommended***


    TRD PRO Front Coils
    C59-748R - 1.0" Lift coils for TRD Pro 4Runners with Bilstein (won't fit Fox) Struts, designed to add 1" lift over stock Pro height, same spring rate as stock (518LBS) but taller coils to add lift, 14.09" free height


    Rear Coil Options, even left to right height **for KDSS vehicles, use a 15mm (PS59-4025) rear spacer on the passenger side to correct the lean on lift heights of 1.5" or more
    C59-323 - Stock height rear coils, same specs as rear TRD Pro OE coils, 375/375mm, 17mm wire, 220LB
    C59-599 - Stock rear end, 1.0"-1.25" lift (keeps rear end low, allowing to help level the vehicle rake with 2" front lift). 390/390mm, 17mm wire, 220LB
    C59-505 - Stock rear end load, 1.5" lift. 405/405mm, 17mm wire, 220LB
    C59-325 - Stock rear end load, 2.0" to 2.25" lift. 420/420mm, 17mm wire, 220LB
    C59-327 - 200-400LB heavy rear load weight, 2" lift. 410/410mm, 18mm wire, 271LB
    C59-329 - 600-800LB super ridiculous heavy rear load weight, 2" lift. 410/410mm, 18mm wire, 286LB
    C59-675V - Variable rate comfort option, stock rear weight, 3" lift. 470/470mm, 16mm wire, 157-230LB variable
    C59-677V - Variable rate comfort option, 400+LB heavy rear load weight, 3" lift. 500/500mm, 16mm wire, 157-230LB variable
    C59-701V - Variable rate, 600-700 LB heavy rear load weight, 3" lift, long travel. 500/500mm, 17mm wire, 210-245LB variable. Designed for those with heavy full rear bumper, tire carrier, roof rack, RTT, drawers, and fridge. Rides very well with all that weight, as well as when loaded even further.
    C59-749V - Variable Rate, 800-1000 LB super heavy constant rear load, 3" lift, long travel. 520/520mm free height, 18mm wire, 198-300LB variable rate, usually around 270LB at loaded height

    Note: Vehicles with KDSS should be lifted no more than 2.5" in the rear or you will probably have a lean that you cannot correct.

    Front Strut Options
    GS59-700 - Twin Tube, fixed mount (not adjustable), suits 0-2.5" lift (21.3" extended length), can be used on stock height or lifted vehicle, use with OE or aftermarket coils, coil seat mount same as OE
    GS59-574 - Twin Tube, fixed mount (not adjustable), long travel (22.63" extended length), use with 2" coil to get 3" lift (coil seat height is 13mm higher than OE, resulting in ~1" of lift). Using this with a 3" length coil would give 4", so not recommended. Diff drop kit is required to run these, as CV's will bind at full down travel due to the extended length.
    IMS59-50700 - IMS Front Struts - suits 0-3" lift - 560mm extended, 420mm compressed
    IMS59-50574 - IMS Front Long Travel Struts - suits 2-3.5" lift - 575mm extended, 430mm compressed
    MRA59-A700 - MRA 3-way adjustable monotubes - suitable for 0-3" front lift. 560mm extended, 420mm compressed
    MRA59-A574 MRA 3-way adjustable monotubes Front Long Travel - suitable for 2-3.5" lift - 575mm extended, 430mm compressed

    Rear Shock Options
    GS59-701 - Twin Tube, suits 0-2.5" lift. 605mm extended, 362mm compressed
    GS59-705 - Twin Tube, suits 0-2.5" lift, softer valving for empty rear ends. 590mm extended, 355mm compressed
    GS59-575 - Twin Tube, Long Travel, suits 3-3.5" lift (3" bump stop spacers recommended so shocks don't bottom out). 730mm extended, 425mm compressed. - Cannot be used with KDSS
    IMS59-50705 - IMS Rear Shocks comfort valved - suits 0-3" lift - due March 2020
    IMS59-50701 - IMS Rear Shocks medium/heavy valved - suits 0-3" lift - due March 2020 (uses these for a vehicle with constant rear weight)
    IMS59-50575 - IMS Rear Long Travel Shocks - suits 3"+ lift (not for KDSS models) due May/June 2020[/B]
    MRA59-A701 - MRA 3-way adjustable monotubes (comfort valved) - suitable for 0-3" rear lift. 609mm extended, 389mm compressed
    MRA59-A575 - MRA 3-way adjustable monotubes - Long Travel - suits 2-3.5" lift - 730mm extended, 425mm compressed

    Dobinsons 3-way adjustable MRA struts and shocks have their own thread, here: VIDEO LINK

    Diff Drop Kit
    DD59-527K - required with 3" lift, could also be used for 2" to 2.5" lifts if desired to correct CV angle

    Adjustable Panhard Rod
    PR59-1423 - Rear adjustable panhard rod, realigns rear axle back to center when lifted 3"+ VIDEO LINK

    Adjustable Rear Control Arms
    WA59-520K - Rear Lower Adjustable Control Arms
    WA59-522K - Rear Upper Adjustable Control Arms

    Front sway bar relocation kit (only for non-KDSS vehicles)
    Gains clearance around bigger/thicker front struts and coils, if needed, as well as helps correct sway bar operating angle with lifts over 2". (currently in re-design)

    Rear sway bar extended length end links
    SE59-529 - Suits lift up to 4". Uses factory style ball joint ends, gold zinc plated. Repositions rear sway bar to original position to remove stress from the rear end and correct the amount of wheel travel. VIDEO LINK

    Front UCA's
    UCA59-002K - Front UCA Set with Senkei 555 Ball joints - Pair of replacement upper control arms to fix alignment issues with 2.5"+ lift heights. Use OE type rubber bushes on the frame end, and replaceable high angle ball joint on the wheel side. 38mm OD tube, 5mm wall thickness (0.2") HSLA steel. Fixed caster of 3 degrees built in. VIDEO LINK

    Front Strut Top Caps/Hats
    SC59-001 - New upper caps - don't waste time pulling apart your old strut assembly just to get the cap off, buy new. Or better yet, we can assemble the units before shipping so you can install at home faster.

    Front Top Mount Strut Spacer - new February 2019
    PS59-4030 - Single 1/4" machine alloy strut spacer, anodized black, suits almost all Toyota's from the 90's to current. Drilled with 2 bolt patterns to fit multiple vehicles. 4Runner 3rd, 4th, and 5th Gen. All Tacoma's 1998 to 2019. All GX470/460. All FJ Cruisers. Can be used to correct a vehicle lean if one exists, or to add one to both sides to add 1/2" lift.


    Rear Coil Spacers
    PS59-4025 - Single 15mm Poly Coil Spacer to correct vehicle lean - recommended for vehicles with KDSS, install on the passenger side

    CV Outer Boot Kit
    CV59-554K - High clearance stretch style CV boots for the outer position of the front shafts. High quality silicone, includes all new grease and clamps - great for lifted vehicles with higher angle CV's which are prone to boot failure

    We stock these parts in Miami, but if we were to run out, or have to make a special order, or custom make some coils, they would ship from Queensland, Australia.


    What we get the most demand/requests from customers is our 3" front and 2" rear (leveling the vehicle), or 3" front and 3" rear progressive/variable rate coils with long travel struts and shocks. This will give the most travel and flex with just a few extra components needed. We also have options for 3/3", 2/2", 2/1", 2.5/1.5", or whatever lift height options you want to run. Lately, 2" front and 1" rear is very common (300 and 599 coils).


    Due to popular demand and an amazing amount of requests, we have brought our most common 4Runner (and Toyota) coils to the US in 2 additional colors. Red and black. Now these part numbers are available (depending on stock) in classic Dobinsons Teal, TRD Red, and/or Black, depending on part number.

    C59-300 (Teal, red or black)
    C59-302 (Teal, red or black)
    C59-314 (Teal, red or black)
    C59-599 (Teal, red or black)
    C59-505 (Teal, red or black)
    C59-325 (Teal, red or black)
    C59-327 (Teal, red or black)


    C59-675V (Teal or black)
    C59-677V (Teal or black)
    C59-701V (Teal or black)

    Of course, we would prefer to sell the teal for branding reasons, but so many of you this year have asked us for a color choice, so here you go!!

    NOTE: the optional colors are not listed in the catalog, and are not sold on Amazon or Ebay. You have to contact me directly and let me know what you want. They're all the same price as usual. As usual, send me an email to exitoffroad@gmail.com

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  2. Apr 23, 2020 at 2:01 PM
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    Crikeymike

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  3. Aug 12, 2020 at 3:39 PM
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    Mike,

    I have a 2020 4Runner TRD OR Prem. with TSS.

    I want to replace stock suspension with Dobinsons. I was going to do Bilsteins 6112 but after reading about Dobinsons i believe Dobinson are a better option. I also looked at Fox too but too much rebuilding required from what I read.

    I drive about 500 miles each week for work and go on off road trails on the weekends. I want my 4Runner to be as capable without making it a terrible ride. I’m good with the feel of a truck, I don’t want to feel like I’m driving a boat.

    I want lift at least 2” and want to keep some rake. It’s currently 1.5” difference between front and rear on drivers side. I wouldn’t mind .5 to 1”. I love the cruise control so I don’t want to mess that up.
    I’m looking at staying under 33” tires. And I want to get a winch and hidden bumper down the road. I’m planning aluminum bumper and synthetic rope to keep weight down. I don’t plan on going crazy on adding weight.
    I love the red coils.

    I’m looking for recommendations on what would be best. I want to do this right the first time and not do anything that will cause damage to my 4Runner.

    Thank you.
     
  4. Aug 13, 2020 at 7:53 AM
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    Hey Lance,

    I've heard different things on the new cruise control these are coming with. I haven't had anyone say "I put on a lift and it stopped working", but I'm curious about it because if the rake was changed front to rear, the nose would be pointing up differently, so I'm not sure if that would affect how it works, or if the system scans a wide range up and down.

    Without the bumper and winch weight, the front will be 1/2" taller or so until that weight is added.

    For what you're looking to do, I think the IMS non-resi monotube struts and shocks would be the way to go. You can also change the ride height up front with the fully threaded body. Yes, these have a long life without any short rebuild periods like many other companies have.

    2" front and 1" lift rear would leave about 1" rake. That's the minimum amount of rake I recommend so that when you load up you hopefully don't end up with negative rake. You're not planning on adding any rear weight? Drawers, fridge, rack, tire carrier, etc?
     
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  5. Aug 13, 2020 at 8:07 AM
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    I think you're on to something here. I implemented this logic after my friend got a 3/1 and had some issues with Pre Collision System (PCS...looks like an airbag on his dashboard).

    I lifted 2.5" and only changed rake by 0.5", instead of the 3/1 setups you see. Mine was more of a 2.5"/2.0". No impact, no idiot lights, no issues several thousand miles later.

    BTW @Crikeymike got a friend eyeballing those Dobinsons, therefore I was looking through the pics. That's a LONG external resi hose, any pinching issues? Part of me likes it's not in the way of the UCA like most of them are, do you know why they chose to route it to the bottom like that? Interesting design choice, but curious as to what the reasoning was.

    Thanks for sharing!
     
  6. Aug 13, 2020 at 8:21 AM
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    Other brands that have the resi entering the shock up high are "upside down" shocks essentially. These front struts are "correct side up" essentially, whilst the rears are upside down.

    No, no pinching issues. The hose just has to be routed properly and also clipped down (comes with some p-clamps to hold it down). It's supposed to go up and over the strut tower, like this photo, but mine has KDSS and I had to adapt some different brackets on mine (the photos up above).

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    Good to know, this has been informative. Also, thanks for mentioning about the Chassis Ground on the Diesel models you jerk, you know how much us in the US want a diesel!!!!

    Also another bonus, I like you're using a double jam nut adjustment collar.
     
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    • 1x Dobinsons 1" to 3.5" Build-A-Kit Toyota 4Runner 2010-20
      $880.00
    • Select Front Coils - C59-302 – Stock – 2.5″ | with 110-150lbs – 2″
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    • Select Front Struts - IMS59-50700 – IMS non-resi monotube, adjustable height (0-2.5″)
      $230.00
    • Select Rear Coils - C59-599 – 1″ with stock weight
      -
    • Select Rear Shocks - IMS59-50701 – IMS non-resi monotube (0-3″ lift)
      $220.00
    • Front Optional Parts - DD59-527K – Diff drop kit for 3″ lift
      $50.00
    • Select Struts/Shocks Color - Black
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    • Select Coil Spring Color - Red

    Does this look right? Do I need UCAs? This is from your site.
     
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    If you're staying at 2.5" or less, UCA's aren't required. They would give better alignment and feel from the steering wheel plus better articulation if you add them.

    That's a pretty normal setup. 2.5" front doesn't need a diff drop either.
     
  10. Aug 22, 2020 at 6:33 AM
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    Mike,

    Do you recommend the rear shocks with soft valving or the standard valving in the IMS?

    Thanks.

    Lance.
     
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    Soft if it's empty pretty much all the time, but standard if you use it to carry people, cargo, or have accessories bolted onto it
     
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    Mike is no longer with the company. Just a heads up.
     
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  13. Aug 29, 2020 at 9:56 AM
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    I run my own company now. Www.exitoffroad.com
     
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    Mike,

    looking to upgrade the wife 2020 MGM SR5 premium non KDSS.
    • 1x Dobinsons 1" to 3.5" Build-A-Kit Toyota 4Runner 2010-20
      $880.00
    • Select Front Coils - C59-302 – Stock – 2.5″ | with 110-150lbs – 2″
      -
    • Select Front Struts - GS59-700 – Twin Tube Standard seat height – coils give lift (0-2.5″)
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    • Select Rear Coils - C59-327 – 2″ with 200-400lbs weight
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    • Select Rear Shocks - GS59-701 – Twin Tube Suits light to heavy loaded rigs (0-3″ lift)
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    • Front Upper Control Arms (UCA’s) - Dobinsons Tubular Ball Joint UCA’s assembled (inc. $30 shipping)
      $670.00
    • Front Optional Parts - Struts Pre-Assembled? – Includes new mounts and labor
      $180.00
    • Select Struts/Shocks Color - Black
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    • Select Coil Spring Color - Teal – Dobinsons classic color
    from what i understand coming over from a lifted tacoma this will give me a 2.5/2 lift and be upgradeable with weight over time? We dont need UCA's with this option do we? might add them later.
    Over the next year we plan on adding front slimline bumper and winch, front skid, sliders, roof rack and lights, rear swingout possibly like my rigd ultraswing and maybe a drawer system fridge slide option. Do you offer military discount and what is shipping times look like?
     
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    Hey bud.

    Correct, UCA's aren't required with 2.5" front lift, however you will get a better alignment with them installed. They can be done later too if desired.

    The front weight you're adding later will drop it 1/2" at most. Those rear coils will handle rack and swing out tire carrier just fine, but a full rear bumper may need stronger springs depending on the overall weight of it and the accessories it has, since that hangs off the back and adds a lot of leverage to the rear suspension.

    Shipping will be at the end of the month due to weather delays in inbound shipments and coil colors will vary depending on when you actually place your order. No teals in stock right now or arriving anytime soon. Yes, PM me for a military discount.
     
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    Awesome thanks man.
     
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    Alright everyone, this is the once a year sale you’ve all been waiting for, and since 2020 has been a year most of us would like to put past us as fast as possible, we are offering the Dobinsons Black Friday Sale for the FULL month of November!!! Yep, 15% off all Dobinsons parts from November 1st to November 30th.

    Click here for the full details: https://exitoffroad.com/dobinsons-black-friday-sale-2020/

    Giving everyone a heads up because stock has already been so limited this year, so those who order the earliest will get the parts the soonest!! All backorders placed will still get the deal, and will ship when possible.

    Suspension, SNORKELS, awnings, bumpers, drawer systems, it's all going to be on sale!!

    IMS struts, $425 instead of $500, MRA front struts for $850 instead of $1000, coils are $170 instead of $200, leaf springs start at $382.50 instead of $450, etc, etc

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    Also, on the heels of the last group buy I did for the snorkels, the restock is due around November 5th, and I don't expect them to last long, so get your orders in as quick as you can if you want/need one soon. ($255 plus shipping with the coupon code)
     
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    For the rear springs C59-675V, does anything have to be done to the brake lines or any other component?
     
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    If you don't use the long travel shocks (*575 versions), then you don't need to change the brake lines or anything. But if you do, you'll need to add longer brake lines, unclip the ABS line so it doesn't pull out, and ideally run new upper and lower trailing arms to rotate the axle housing a bit to get the most travel out of the suspension and also keep the shock from hitting the axle housing at full droop. The top of the axle gets tilted back to prevent that.
     
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    I’m just running a Fox 2.0 shock that’s rated for 2”-3” of lift. Eventually I plan on changing out the arms in the rear. I don’t plan on doing any extreme flexing with it just yet, so it should be safe to run the spring for some time correct? Given that there’s no full droop on side or the other.
     
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    Oh yeah, there's no problem running those springs without the long travel parts and shocks.
     
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    Ok, so forgive me if this has already been answered elsewhere here or in one of the videos, but what I can't decide is whether I should go with the base twin tubes, or the IMS.

    For what circumstances would either of those be a better fit?

    Here's my application and use: 2013 Trail, 110k on stock suspension (NO KDSS). I figure between age/mileage it's about due, or getting there, for new suspension. I would like to lift for addition ground clearance (I have 7.5" under my front skidplate) and for hopefully an improved ride.

    I am not a hardcore offroader, this is my daily driver that I do not want to bang up. I live in New England, where most of the "trails" that other Toyota owners into overland style offroading seem to frequent are basically unmaintained logging roads through the forest, with the occasional technical challenge thrown in. I won't be serious rock crawling, nor baja racing (though Baja stuff looks fun!). There are some smoother dirt roads locally (though still bumpy)that I frequent to hiking/mountainbiking spots, that I DO enjoy driving a little faster than maybe I should, haha.

    I have visions of going out to wheel in CO and Moab, but that will probably be a once a year thing, if ever.

    Some of the local roads almost count as wheeling, there are lots of potholes and broken pavement. Some of the dirt roads I hit are smoother.

    Current mods are limited to full steel RCI skids up front (engine, trans, t-case), and steel rock sliders. Probably 200-ish extra lbs over stock. I don't have any plans of a roof tent, steel rear bumper, or fridge. Cargo would be a cooler, 2 Labs, a long weekend worth of camping gear, and maybe a mountainbike or 2 hanging off my hitch rack. Even with stock suspension I don't notice much squat with that load. I do not tow anything.

    Maybe in the future I'd consider a winch bumper and winch on the front, but not any time soon.

    I don't mind the stock ride that much. To be honest, I like a "hit a speedbump at 30 and not feel it" kind of suspension. I actually think the stock rear feels a little harsh as it is on broken pavement, I like a ride on the softer side.

    I'm pretty much set on a 2" front, 1" rear lift. Not interested in long travel at this time. I would want to stick with a narrower 32 or 33" tire, such as a 255/75/17 or 255/80/17.

    Sorry if that is information overload, haha, but with all that, what would you recommend for my use/needs?

    Thanks!!

    Mike
     
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    For me, it was the difference between $200 and $1000, honestly. I bought the 2.5”/1.5” kit with twin tubes and UCAs and was money very well spent. I’m a pavement and forest road kind of guy, but have dreams like you if traveling to a far away place somewhere sometime, but not planning any kind of craziness.

    I think you’ll be shocked at the ride improvement. I certainly was and had swapped my suspension with <10K on the clock.
     
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    You had me at "New England"!!! hahahah. Twin tubes is what I'd recommend for you based on where you live, how you drive, and for longevity purposes too. You can expect many years of life out of them, totally maintenance free, and like the other fella said, it frees up money to do it all properly. Adding UCA's and getting it all dialed in properly will be the best way for you I think.

    This setup is what I'd suggest
    C59-302 front coils (due to skid plate weight). You could use C59-300's but you'll probably be 1.6-1.75" lift due to the skid plates. C59-302's will be more like 2.25" I'd say.
    GS59-700 struts
    C59-599 rear coils
    GS59-705 rear shocks
    UCA's - for ride quality and the best alignment.

    And if you do ever add a front bumper or any other constant weight, you can just do a spring change, but I think you'll be good with those for a long time.

    Mike.
     
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    Well isn’t that a familiar collection of components. :D
     
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    Thanks so much for the info! Looks like that's everything I wanted to know.

    Just one more question though, if I stay under 2.5" in the front, are UCA's really necessary? I really don't want to mess with those. I'd be doing the install myself, and after 7 New England winters, I reckon nothing short of dynamite is getting those suckers out of there. I'm already dreading the nuts on top of the struts as it is, haha.
     
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    Mike could say with more authority, but probably not. I’m setting myself up for a tire upsize, and this will help facilitate that a bit more easily since the caster geometry changes a bit with them.
     
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    Hey Mike I know you’re busy with all these dobinson’s questions and all but just trying to figure out what I need.

    Looking at a C59-300 front coils with the GS59-700 front struts.

    C59-599 rear coils with GS59-705 rear shocks and SPC UCA’s.

    I’m looking for a 2.5 inches of lift with a possibility of a .5 inch rake in the back. Going to be adding TRD Pro wheels with 285 falken wildpeaks which I have already. Currently have a ‘20 SR5P third row. Don’t plan on adding a front or rear bumper and possibly will add a roof rack in a year. Most likely will have stock weight in the back for basic camping supplies, my baby/wife and a car seat. If you can get back to me that would be awesome.
     
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  29. Nov 25, 2020 at 6:52 AM
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    Yeah, UCA's aren't required at 2.5". They help at any lifted height, but you can get by without them. Chris is right too, better geometry with them in place.
     
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    Hi Mate, go with the C59-302 front coils for 2.5". The rest of it will be good. 2.5" front and 1" rear will leave ~1/2" rake like you're looking for.
     
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