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Cooler recommendations to plug into the booty hole?

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by wolfman, Jun 14, 2022.

  1. Jun 16, 2022 at 10:09 AM
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    I wish they cared just a little more to provide a voltage gauge on the cluster
     
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    Doesn’t sound like you are wrong, and now Im finally understanding how it actually works lol. Makes me suspect even more that 400w is more than the alternator can handle while driving. Or maybe the alternator can do it, but toyota limits it to 100w in drive just to be sure, in case other accessory plugs are also drawing while driving.


    But it’s cooler to create a electrical operations center with voltmeters and toggle switches.:D

    All this electrical talk is creating another project on the wish list for me to plan, and plan (but never execute :confused:)
     
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  3. Jun 16, 2022 at 10:24 PM
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    I believe you are correct. Toyota considers a worst case load on the alternator, with all driver-selected options like headlights and fog lights on, radio on, window defrosters and mirror heaters, all accessories on, etc., have a safety factor of 50?%, and still have enough current to run all the other electrical devices like the transmission, e-locker, ECUs, etc. and still charge and maintain a healthy battery while driving. Therefore a conservative limit of 100W is allowed for the inverter.

    I’ve read where the stock alternator supplies 130 amps.
    100 watts / 13.5 V = ~7.5 A.
    400 watts / 13.5 V = ~30 A.

    When I run my fridge from a Jackery battery and simultaneously charge the Jackery from the AC inverter it draws 80W worst case. So I’m OK with the 100W limit. Does anyone have a fridge/battery system that needs more than 100w?
     
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  4. Jun 17, 2022 at 1:56 AM
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    Which Jackery model do you have? I was looking at the Jackery 500 or Bluetti EB55. The EB55 looks all around better but reviews said it was noisy and the inverter is even louder when plugged in.

    Any noticeable difference charging the Jackery from the 12v plug vs inverter in the rear?
     
  5. Jun 17, 2022 at 3:55 AM
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    I have the Jackery 500. Depending on how hot the 4Runner interior is and how low you set the fridge temperature, you it can power it for 2-4 days with no charging.

    I’m thinking of getting their folding solar panel to charge it while parked at a campsite.

    Charging, while driving, from the AC inverter through the Jackery power brick inputs about 24V into the Jackery. It charges with about twice the power (and faster) as a 12V power outlet.
     
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    I own these panels. They’re not on sale now but they can be wired in series or parallel

    BALDR 120W Portable Solar Panel for Jackery/ECOFLOW/Flashfish/ROCKPALS Power Station Generator, Foldable Solar Cell Charger with 2 USB Ports & 18V DC Output for RV Boat Car https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08LKXQTC9

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    OUKITEL CN505 Portable Power Station ,615Wh/192000mAH LiFePO4 Battery with 500W 2x Pure Sine Wave AC Outlet/QC/USB-C, Solar Generator for Home Use Outdoor Camping Blackout CPAP (Panel Not Included) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0924MVGKY
     
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    This thread makes me feel really old school. I still use a regular old school igloo piece of junk with a broken drain plug cap that still works. Just add food, a couple of Cooler Shock ice packs, and small bag of ice. Good to go for 3 days. :p

    :popcorn:
     
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  9. Jun 17, 2022 at 1:38 PM
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    My Dometic CFX3 95DZ worked beautifully while parked, but almost immediately upon driving it switched to some type of "low power" mode, then shortly after it turned off. After trying the 12v cord in the rear and center console without success (apparently it thinks 13.2v is too low on the most generous threshold setting), I tried to allow the fridge to get fully iced in the house, then run it in park for twenty minutes before going unto drive mode.
    I got the same result, and eventually an error message warning me that the compressor wasn't getting enough juice to run.

    So in my case at least, the stock setup is wholly inadequate and requires either aftermarket products or the wire mod for me to use my fridge.
     
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    Hmmm…
    Looking at the specs for the large Dometic CFX3 95DZ it seems you’re not giving it enough current to operate properly.
    At 12V DC it needs 10.4 Amps.
    At 120V AC it needs 1.02 Amps.
    That’s 120 Watts. You are over the limit of the 100A AC inverter output while driving. And if you use a DC output that is right at the limit, you probably get too much voltage drop through the truck wiring to the outlet and the fridge shuts down due to its low voltage cutoff. You could try setting the battery protection limit lower to test this out.
    Your best bet is to beef up the supply wire gauge to the DC outlet you will be using, or use a separate portable power source battery that can supply that large current, as previously described.
     
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    First, thanks so much everyone. I really do appreciate the plethora (and overwhelming) amount of knowledge shared here. I am going through reading and re-reading posts and clicking all them links. I am excited for an ice free future. Do I have this right, Jackery plugged into 4R's cigarette outlet upfront or in rear, straight to the new fridge? No inverter needed or anything else? Which Jackery do you all recommend? I guess I pick a fridge from one of the links. Thank you!


    Thank you! I think this is my future combo. I was looking at the Anker power blocks because the name recognition but Jackery is maybe even bigger. Which Jackery do you recommend?


    Outstanding! Thank you!! That does look nice and simple. I think I might a bit bigger but I am going to check out that site. Thanks again!


    That dual option is fantastic! I am so old school. You plugged that combo set directly into the 4R's outlet? No middle man! Oh! Nice. Great info. Thank you. I just need the fridge to get me through a 4-5 hour drive to my destination. I don't anticipate being without power.


    OH! Thanks for the clarification. I thought I was missing something. That sounds simple and what I need. Which Jackery are you using/recommend?


    OUT.STANDING. Thank you. I love me a good promo code. I am checking that one out too. Thank you!



    HA! Raw food for my dogs is one of the large reasons I need this too.
     
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  14. Jun 25, 2022 at 1:29 PM
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    Yes I drove all the way from North Carolina to Arizona and then back a week later and obviously powered off several times for gas fill ups and a plethora of potty breaks for the kiddos. Anyways I just plugged directly into the cigarette lighter or you could plug into the power converter in the back. It comes right back on when you turn your car on (assuming you use the cigarette lighter). If using the power connector in the back just make sure to press the power inverter button as it turns off.
    I can recommend Jackery as well. I have the Jackery 1000 with 2x 100w solar panels. It works great but if you don’t plan on using it outside the car I wouldn’t buy one personally.
     
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    If you're only needing the fridge to run and stay cool for a 4-5 hr. drive, I'm not sure I would even use a powered cooler at all, unless the prospect of ice management is a no-go.

    In that case, I'd say just do the "wire mod" and run a the fridge/freezer that suits your needs. Even if your cooler doesn't *need* more than 100w while driving, there's no reason that the inverter *shouldn't* do it, and it's literally a snip, strip, crimp and screw.

    My CFX3 95DZ is bigger than I ended up needing for myself, but worked amazingly as a backup fridge/freezer in the house for a few months. The power draw was higher than the "optimistic" reviews and estimates... so no matter what you hear about any brand, take it with a grain of salt. You could end up buying a smaller one, and still need either an additional power source or to ground out the sensor wire on the inverter.
    Having buyer protection that includes a near-guarantee of refunds, and being ready to fully test the products as soon as you get them is very wise for items in this price range, and that are so difficult for individuals to ship.
     
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    So great. Thank you! I have this fear that plugging one of those fridges into the vehicle's system would be taxing it too hard so I wasn't sure which of them I could run safely. That was my main concern and why I wanted to piggyback off what many of you have been doing with the Jackery. Plus, it makes for a nice "juuuust in case" backup. Sounds like I don't need to worry too much about a vehicle fridge as long as it runs off a cigarette lighter plug.. I think.

    How do you like the solar panels? Plug play as well? Those are intriguing. Didn't know if they were as good as I am hoping. Thanks again for the help.
     
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    Great info here too. Thank you.Truthfully, electric is my enemy. I would rather not snip anything. And you just hit on my main concern. Some of these brands are smaller ones that I haven't heard of and trust to plug it into the vehicle and have it do nothing bad is a tiny blip on my brain. Now it just got bigger reading your post haha!
     
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    I didn't mean to set you off on a paranoia bender, my bad! lol

    Let me put it this way- ALL of these products, from the best to the worst, cheapest to most expensive, will have slightly less-than-optimal operating specs compared to what's advertised. Technically that's not true... but just assume it is, because it basically is. Anyone claiming outstanding efficiency on a budget is either lucky, clueless, lying, paid, or some combination thereof. On *this* forum, most of the "lucky" ones just happen to have also prepared and purchased pretty nice setups... so expect similar if you do similar.

    Actual electrical gremlins are rare, and those that spread to the vehicle are even more rare- they also tend to have strong elements of window-licker-DIY in those cases, so don't fear this pitfall so much.
    The ones who don't have fear are the ones who should... your internal safety sensors are going off prematurely, which is a better place to start from.

    Plugging in a big ass Dometic CFX3 95DZ, I was only barely short on power when driving. It didn't hurt my 4Runner at all, it just wouldn't stay on.

    That's what you are really looking at for consequences, if you just buy a fridge and try it. You won't wake up with Whoopie Goldberg, I promise*.


    *not a promise
     
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    The Jackery supplies 12V 10A, some USB 5V 2.4A charging outlets, and a 110VAC 500W (inverter) output. I have the Explorer 500 which works for my fridge. If you can handle the cost a 1000W would give you more run time.
    Keep track of the website, they often have sales. Probably one is coming up for the Fourth of July.
     
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    When the sun is out I get more power from the solar panels than my fridge uses so technically speaking I run the fridge and am charging the battery at the same time.

    yes the solar panels are plug and play. You can check it out on Jackery website
     
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    Thanks so much, everyone! I went from lost with an idea to lost with too many good choices! YESSS!
     
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    When the weather is good, I often go out camping, recently did not travel far, but many camping experience tells me that I always need to be able to quickly charge and durable outdoor batteries, also looked for many products to do a comparison, and finally I found a very fast charging solar generator Growatt Infinity 1500, through four solar panels Solar charge about in 2.5 This is the speed I like.
    https://growattportable.com/products/growatt-infinity-1500-portable-power-station
     
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    I recently purchased a Setpower AJ40 and Jackery 500. I considered the Bluetti battery pack, which I think is superior to the Jackery in many categories but in reading reviews it was much louder then the Jackery and when using the inverter, even louder. The Jackery is silent when using DC and the inverter fan only comes on when needed, but I am not planning to run the unit much using AC.

    In two different tests, I was able to get over 48 hours of run time on the AJ40, plugged into the Jackery 500. I had the fridge set on Eco Mode and 33 degrees and it was pre chilled prior to connecting to the battery pack. Hooked up to the 12v in the rear of the 4Runner, the Jackery will pass through to the AJ40 and stay topped off at 100% when the truck is running.

    Hopefully the reliability is there in the Setpower Fridge, cost was $279 shipped. First box came from FedEx and it took a super hard hit in transport. Through all the packing material and even deformed the clear plastic wrap around the fridge. Setpower promptly sent me new unit.
     
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    Looks like Growatt got what they paid for, eh Mrs. Johnny? Can it help the prosperity of my family, and to give good feelings of confidence movement?
     
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    Got 5 different trips so far with this setup, my only disappointment is the wheels kind of suck on the cooler, it needs a lift.
     
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    Ours runs off of a "cigarette lighter" plug or the 100w. We used the 100 w earlier on a trip through Vegas, Flagstaff, Victorville (CA) and Gallup. Kept drinks cool but we had to remember to turn the 100w circuit on. Ours doesn't work as a frezzer but lowers temps by about 40 F.
     
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