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Agent_Outside: Adventures in a 4Runner Limited

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by Agent_Outside, Jan 19, 2019.

  1. Dec 11, 2020 at 1:37 PM
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    Shit happens, we’re all human. They have handled a bad situation very well. If my experience was typical they would have been out of business years ago. No ill will on my end.
     
  2. Dec 23, 2020 at 6:35 AM
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    Bumper #3 returned from powder coat yesterday. It should should get packed and ready for shipping this week.

    In other news, I placed an order for a Hefty Fabworks front plate bumper yesterday.
     
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    I ordered a winch to go with the front bumper on Christmas Eve, it was legit like 40 hours and it was at my door. 3423FA58-57B7-4CBA-BB06-6A14DED478FD.jpg
     
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  5. Dec 29, 2020 at 10:58 AM
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    Since you’re more adept at this stuff than me, I have a question. Ask here or PM?
     
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    I’d say post it here, might as well have the potential for multiple opinions.
     
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    Well, I installed the Prothane sway bar bushings when I did the suspension. I keep them greased but have been getting a popping sound from the front when turning in reverse. Is this something that just happens with the urethane bushings?
    Sorry it took me a little while to get back on here. Appreciate the help
     
  8. Dec 30, 2020 at 1:31 AM
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    What spring rate are you running? I just picked up a used set, with 550 spring rate. I got a second set of springs with a rate of 600, just wondering if 550 is ideal for no added weight or if I should have the 600 springs installed instead.
     
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    A few things come to mind

    - Did the suspension come with a sway bar relocation kit? And did you happen to line up the new bushings with the old bushings? It’s not unheard of that the sway bar can contact the radiator support lower braces under certain conditions. Crawl under and look with a flash light from the side and see how much clearance there is. Also if the the hole in the new bushings are the slightest bit offset compared to the OEM stuff it will change the position of the bar which again, can cause interference issues. If the inner diameter is slight to large it can cause excessive movement.

    - What are you running for skid plates? I’d start with removing them, cleaning the mounting points where they touch the frame and reinstall them/retighten them. You’d be surprised how the slightest bit of grit can allow the skid plates and underbody bracing to shift and make a pop noise.

    - Go over and retorque the suspension components.

    - You went with the JBA arms right? Give the ball joints a bunch of grease, and loosen the bolt the bushings and grease those before retightening.

    - Finally a visual inspection, look at the fender liners, suspension, underbody, for visual signs of anything that’s scuffed, scraped, oddly clean and shiny, especially with the sway bar and suspension.

    - If all else fails the sway bar bushings are quick and easy to swap, put them back to stock and see if the noise goes away.

    ** Random side note about a couple similar instances I’ve ran into with pretty crazy outcomes. I had a 2004 VW Jetta GLI come in back in the day that kicked my ass. Intermittently when backing up and turning it would pop in the front suspension. I chased my tail with that thing forever trying to find the problem and the precise conditions of when it did it. In the end it was when the brakes where within a specific temperature range at the rotor hats, full steering lock in reverse with just the right amount of brake pedal applied - the pressed in wheel bearing assembly would rock side to side inside the spindle. I’m talking like thousands of a inch of movement but being metal on metal pressed fit that amount of movement transferred a lot of noise. Individual parts were all within spec but as an assembled unit something didn’t sit right.

    The other super odd one was a prototype vehicle, new model, still not announced, heavily camo’d - clunk from the front while backing up. It was the brake pads shifting when cold, but that was normal. It ended up being the design of the wheels. The inner barrel of the wheel just happened to catch and amplify that otherwise inaudible sound like it was a megaphone. Swapped wheels and it was silent. That was one of the oddest things I’ve come across, obviously those wheels didn’t make the production car.
     
  10. Dec 30, 2020 at 3:00 AM
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    It’s currently on 550# springs, that’s the ideal setup for near OEM weight up front. That will work well for skids and sliders. Once you do a bumper and or a winch it’s time to upgrade.

    I’ve always been mindful of adding weight. My skids are full plate aluminum, I ordered the Hefty Fab plate aluminum front bumper - it’s strong as hell but only 65 lbs, I added the second battery with a tray that mounts it near the firewall instead of up front leverage out over the front axle, the winch is what it is but I did go with synthetic rope to drop some weight.
     
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  11. Dec 30, 2020 at 7:45 AM
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    I'll have to check the alignment of the sway bar. I'm thinking that it is probably out of alignment. If I remember correctly the Prothane bushings have elongated mounting holes. I'll also check the skid (TRD) for alignment. I hit a deer about a year ago and I'm wondering if the mount got knocked out of whack. Thanks
     
  12. Dec 30, 2020 at 8:03 AM
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    Just out of curiosity, why did you change the to bushings? Generally aftermarket sway bar bushings is a harder durometer rubber that in effect, stiffens the sway bar, which fights axle articulation - not necessarily a bad thing, it’s better for on road, just not for offroad.
     
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  14. Dec 30, 2020 at 10:19 AM
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    I had ordered them before deciding on suspension. I had read some reviews that they helped in stock form with nose dive and just made the vehicle feel more planted. I never got around to installing them (out of sheer laziness) so I decided to go a head and do so with the lift. I like the fact they are greaseable, but the rear one near the gas tank is impossible to get grease into due to clearance so I may end up just pulling them and going back to stock.

    I am interested in the sway bar ends you posted, so that might be something I look into here soon.
     
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    Awesome, good to hear! I don’t plan on adding weight for a while, so I don’t want to put heavier springs that I don’t need. I have a stock front end. Thanks for info:cheers:
     
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    Fair enough.

    If you’re going to do the link jump on them now. They have been out of stock for a LONG time, I got tired of checking back so months ago I signed up for the email notification for when they were back in stock. They just got back in stock a few days ago so I jumped on it. Get them while you can.
     
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    Happy to help :hattip:
     
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    Off topic note - I typically surf this site from my phone, so it’s condensed version of the forum list, I’m on my iPad now and it shows more information. That’s crazy this thread has over 106,000 views! I had no idea.

    On topic note - I bought my first and only cosmetic mod that serves no functional purpose, it’s strictly aesthetic. A bullet proof fabrication front grill. I saw this picture of a pre facelift with the same hefty fabworks bumper I ordered, prerunner hoop and all, with the PBF grill and I needed to make that happen over the chrome bar lol.873E8D30-5288-4B38-8EC4-5A87BB023D25.jpg
     
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    I got a few things in today.

    I stopped by Toyota and picked up all the seals and gaskets to reseal the valve covers and spark plug tubes.

    Gear America shackles with isolators came.

    Front sway bar endlinks came.

    And it’s not pictured but so stopped by Toytec today since they are about half an hour from me and picked up an ARB tree saver strap.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I’m debating about buying some more parts. When I was doing the water pump I found the belt tensioner pulley grainy feeling and it spun kinda loud. The pulley is not available separate from the tensioner. To remove the tension the alternator has to come out. I’m debating about just throwing a new alternator in while doing the tensioner, 140K miles and it’s coming out anyway, might as well right? If I go that far on top of all the recent maintenance and refreshing I’m thinking I might as well throw a new fuel pump at it before I do the gas tank skid right?

    Unfortunately the tensioner, alternator, fuel pump complete assembly, gasket, and sealing ring comes out to almost $900 total. Kinda pricey realistically throwing an alternator and fuel pump at it as preventative maintain a will bring this thing up to pretty much brand new levels of expected reliability. New fluids and filters in everything, new cooling system, new tune up parts, fresh valve cover gaskets and spark plug tube seals, fresh brake lines, rebuilt and revalved suspension with new springs all around, sway bar links all the way around, all the brake hardware, alternator, and fuel pump.

    Thoughts?
     
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    Since you’re keeping it for the long haul I’d go for it.
     
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    If you’re going to be removing those parts anyway, replacing them makes sense. Once you get it all done and over with you’ll be glad you went ahead and did it.
     
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    Sort of a random question, not sure if you’ve covered it, but do you have any plans to re-gear once you get the bumpers on?
     
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    No immediate plans to but it’s on the radar for sure. It’s going to depend heavily on how well the 4R works for us as a family of 4. If an offroad trailer works it’s way into our setup at some point, regearing will for sure be a part of that, but we’ll see how happy it is handling the the weight of everything.
     
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    Round 3!

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    You definitely need another set of hands a friend of mine came over to help with the bumper install yesterday.
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    Caught with her pants down lol
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    I didn’t get a pic of it on yesterday so I grabbed one tonight. Bumper #3 was just the main frame, all the bits and pieces need to be swapped over. I opted to do that after for a few reasons. First off, weight, it’s easier to get on without the extra weight of the of the tailgate and swing arm. Second is that the tailgate and swing arm block the rear plate and I wasn’t ready to spend the time wiring up the license plate/plate light/camera relocation. I figure I’d keep it legal for now. This weekend I’ll get back to it.

    It’s crazy that it gained 7” of bumper clearance (not including the mud flaps) behind the rear wheels.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Looks badass so far!

    Congrats!
     
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    I actually forgot the main reason for just getting the structure on, to get the second big ass crate out of the garage so my wife can park in there lol.
     
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    Is that gap on the rear brake light that bad or just the angle and lighting make it look bad.
     

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