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Agent_Outside: Adventures in a 4Runner Limited

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by Agent_Outside, Jan 19, 2019.

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    This is a big reason many of us got 4Runners. The combination of proven reliability, longevity and capability (snow, off road, cargo capacity, towing) is very hard to beat.
     
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  2. Sep 8, 2020 at 1:59 PM
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    It’s finally time! It’s been 6 months and 14 days since I ordered my Southern Style Offroad Trailgater, after a mandatory COVID shutdown and closing shop for a hurricane, exactly 28 weeks later it is FINALLY shipping out via freight with scheduled Friday delivery.
     
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  3. Sep 9, 2020 at 4:37 PM
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    @Agent_Outside This thread is amazing Sir. I need to explore other threads more often. You've packed quite a bit of mods and adventure in just a few years!! Wish I lived out there, tired of flat Florida. Glad to see the American family getting it done. My Son is 31 now and a good dude, but I do miss that age yours is at. We had a blast. Looking forward to more posts!
     
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    Thanks, I appreciate it. Honestly when I travel for work it’s not uncommon that I sit and scroll through here thinking about going home. I’m down your way quite often and I get it, I truly despise Florida. I don’t like it hot, I hate humidity, and I’m not a beach person lol. I’m sure it doesn’t help that I’m typically down there for summer.

    I really feel like I’m lucky to raise a kid in this day and age where a camera is always in your pocket. Its so easy to document memories nowadays. I do a coffee table book for each year as a photo album of sorts. I’m really glad I have taken as many videos as I have as well. I see these memories pop up from
    A couple years back with videos from that tiny little voice learning to express himself and it just melts my heart. He’s definitely at a fun age.
     
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    I read a book to my Son every night as I tucked him in and those memories for me are priceless, and the bond is still there today. Keep up the great work brother, we create our Children's positive future, minute by minute.
     
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    So that didn’t pan out....

    I had told them a couple weeks ago I was going out town for work on a specific date and I needed it to come before then or they will need to sit on it for a while until I’m back and then ship it. They said it’ll be here on the 11th. The tracking number showed the 14th, that’s not going to work, I will not be here to accept the shipment. They decided pay the $436 additional charge to expedite the freight shipping to get it here while I’m still here. Awesome. about 1/2 an hour later they call me to tell me they messed up and they shipped the wrong bumper to my house. They sent an integrated hitch bumper when I ordered the bolt on hitch version. So it looks like I’m not going to have it in my hands anytime soon.
     
  7. Oct 29, 2020 at 9:33 AM
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    I had to go all the way to page 9 of the 5th GEN section to find this thread, you Sir, have been slacking :D
     
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  8. Oct 29, 2020 at 9:57 AM
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    Long 7 week work rotation before the baby comes. I go back home tomorrow.
     
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    Well be safe and congrats on the baby. Bored at work and need new stuff to look through
     
  10. Oct 29, 2020 at 11:35 AM
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    Thanks. I have plans but I’m waiting for Black Friday sales to start buying stuff. I’m hoping to more or less “finish” the 4Runner by spring.

    actually that might be a bit optimistic, I don’t know how much money I’ll actually dump in it with a newborn.
     
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  11. Nov 4, 2020 at 10:12 AM
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    So I was thinking I’d be working on installing my Trailgater around this time but that’s STILL not going very well.

    Here’s the timeline so far:

    -Week 0, 02/26/2020 - order placed with 16-18 week lead time.

    -Week 13, 05/27/2020 - order status still showed materials ordered, got a status update of “if I had guess it would be another month or maybe 1.5”. First estimate for completion = 17-19 weeks.

    -Week 15.5, 06/12/2020 - “you’re 3 bumpers away from being in the welding station.”

    -Week 19, 07/01/2020 - “your bumper should be going in the welding queue here before the end of the day with 3 other bumpers”, meaning zero progress has been made and it’s no closer than it was at the update 3.5 weeks ago.

    -Week 22, 07/30/2020 - “your bumper is being pieced together today, and will be ground down and have it’s accessories made next week. You’re prob looking at a week or two to have all the parts made and powder coated.” Second estimate for completion = 23-24 weeks.

    -Week 25, 08/17/2020 - “your bumper will be at powder sometime this week and will be ready to ship out in 1 week.” Third estimate for completion = 26 weeks.

    -Week 26, 08/25/2020 - 6 MONTH update, “just waiting for powder coat to catch up and your bumper will be done.” “Any day now we will be contacting you about shipping.”

    -Week 27, 09/03/2020 - followed up since it had been at powder coating over a week, and informed them in 10 days I was leaving on a business trip and if it wasn’t delivered by then it was going to need to wait until November before I would be back home to sign for it.

    The response back was “We can schedule your shipment out of here for September 8th, and it would get there by Sept 11th according to the companies projection date.”

    -Week 28, 09/08/2020 - get an email that it “Will be going out today!”

    -Week 28, 09/09/2020 - I asked for tracking info which they provided, it showed the arrival date missing the timeline for me to be in town.

    -Week 28, 09/10/2020 - They paid to expedite the shipping to make sure it was going to be there by the 13th before I left on a 7 week business trip. A short while later they called me to inform me that they mixed up the orders and they had shipped me the wrong bumper. They had the freight company bring it back. I was under the impression that my bumper was there but they were going to need to wait to ship it until I was home again.

    -Week 35.5, 10/25/2020 - I emailed them letting them know I I was coming home the end of the week and we’re good to go with shipping to have it arrive on Halloween or shortly after. (3 emails with no response over the next week - I guess they had some cyber attack thing take down part of their system)

    Week 36, 11/4/2020 - their GM informed me metal was on order for bumper.... apparently the customer who was scheduled to have his bumper installed came in before his bumper, which was sent to me, was back at their shop. So they installed my bumper on that vehicle and ordered materials to make me a new one. Metal should be arriving this Friday and the GM is going to send me daily updates with pics of the progress.

    As of right now it’s been 8 months and 10 days in and they are waiting on materials to build my bumper. To be fair they did get shut down for a little while because of COVID, they have apologized profusely, and they did give me the option of having the wrong bumper that was sent - I ordered the bolt on hitch that doesn’t requiring cutting and notching the frame, they had sent an integrated hitch version that does require cutting the frame.

    Overall though I have to say I’m pretty pissed with how all of this is going. Right now I kinda hate that I love their products.
     
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    Wow that’s extremely frustrating! I’m just curious what company and which bumper you decided to go with?
     
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    I mentioned it at the top, but you might not be familiar with it. the Trailgater is Southern Style Offroad’s high clearance single swing arm steel rear bumper with a tailgate built in. For how we use the vehicle their bumper best suits our needs.

    on the bright side they followed up already and the metal that was supposed to come Friday showed up today.
     
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    I must’ve missed it but I just wanted to let you know this thread is amazing. I have been following you for a while on mods and adventures, thank you for sharing. Looking forward to see that bumper on your 4Runner.
     
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    So I know this thread has been kind of lacking lately. I addressed it a bit earlier but with a baby on the way I went on a LONG 7 week work rotation. I’ve been buying and stock piling parts while I was gone, especially once I made the decision that I was going to keep this 4Runner and NOT buy a new 5th gen to swap everything over to.

    Here’s the current list of what I have purchased, either sitting here or on order waiting for delivery for both vehicles.

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    • 12v Battery and terminal protector pads
    • OEM tow hitch
    • Bosch Icon wiper blades
    • Audew jump pack
    • Nokian WR G4 SUV all weather tires (not to be confused with all season)
    • Thinkware Q800 Pro 2 Channel dash cam and hardwire kit

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    • Serpentine belt
    • Cooling system refresh: radiator fan clutch, water pump, water inlet, thermostat, thermostat housing, gaskets, seals, and coolant
    • Trans service: pan gasket, strainer, strainer o-ring, WS trans fluid, crush washers
    • Front, center, rear diff services: 75W90 GL-5 synthetic fluid and crush washers for all 3 diffs
    • Spark plugs
    • Lower strut mounting hardware for all 4 corners (one front is rusted/seized in place and apparently the rears have a tendency to fall out...? I think people just don’t know how to properly torque a bolt but they are cheap so I’ll toss a spare in with the tools)
    • Clock spring
    • Brake pad shim kit and anti rattle clips for all 4 corners (I did the pads/rotors not to far back, you reuse the hardware but they had seen better days. There’s minor noise so I’ll swap all the other pieces)
    • Southern Style Offraod Trailgater single swing arm high clearance rear steel bumper with camera, license plate, and license plate light relocation
    • Baja Designs S2 sport flood/scene lights for the rear bumper - white reverse light on the right, red rear foglight on the left
    • Toytec extended braided stainless steel brake lines for all 4 corners
    • Toytec RCCXD-P extra duty Superflex rear springs
    There’s a few more things I plan on picking up during Black Friday sales.
     
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    I don’t think I followed up on the Baja Designs vs Diode Dynamic topic.

    I’ve had a Baja Designs Squadron Pro amber driving combo foglight kit on my 4Runner for a couple years now and I love them. I was in the market for another foglight upgrade for my Highlander. Baja Designs didn’t list a kit for it, I could have cross referenced foglight housings or checked to see in my stock 4R housings fit in the Highlander before buying BD, but at the end of the day Diode Dynamics had a kit listed and Baja Designs didn’t. So I decided I’d save myself the trouble of figuring it out and see what all the hype was about with the Diode Dynamics SS3 foglight kit so I picked up a Pro Amber SAE kit. I thought it would be a good opportunity to check them out side by side and get a bit of an unbiased comparison.

    Once I opened the DD lights and they were in my hands for the first time it was honestly a bit of a letdown, they were underwhelming, bordering on disappointing. The DD lights just look and feel like cheap knock offs. The cast aluminum housings makes them look very crude and low quality in comparison to BDs nice precision machined aluminum housings. It’s hard to convey, but in person, holding them, the BD lights in general just look and feel like they have a higher level of build quality and fit and finish. The DD lights almost look like they have a plastic housing. Diode Dynamics has refuted that, they claim their build quality and the materials used are on right on par with Baja Designs, however Baja Designs has a lifetime warranty and Diode Dynamics does not... take that how you will.

    The BD lights have a pigtail harness coming out compared to a small jumper harness on the DD’s. The DDs use a 2 pin Deutsch connection directly in the back of the housing, it’s a rectangular plug but they used a round seal on the harness, one housing plugged in just fine, the other side I had to use a pocket screwdriver to tuck in the seal to keep from pinching it. You also need to test the lights before reassembling because the connection to the stock wiring can be plugged in either direction but will only work one way (to be fair it’s been too long since I installed BD, I don’t remember if they were the same way). The Diode Dynamics were easy to plug into the stock harness whereas the Baja Designs were so f’n tight you questioned if something is wrong with it when trying to plug them in. DD’s 1 piece mounting bracket is a better design than the BD brackets, however BD uses metal brackets and DD uses plastic. Realistically the plastic is fine because regardless of what the brackets are made out of, its being mounted to plastic on the bumper, but for expensive lights I would expect metal.

    In terms of performance, it’s not fair to make a direct comparison since one is an SAE beam pattern and one is a driving combo beam pattern, they both have different applications. One beam pattern is meant to be used on the street and focuses light into a legal area, the other is 100% offroad use only and aren’t legal or designed for public roadways. The Baja driving combo squadron pros have insane output, I feel like they put out more usable light then high beams and low beams combined. The Diode Dynamics SAE SS3 pro lights are very impressive in their output and usability, they may look and feel on the cheap, but the output is top notch. They really filled out the scene through the windshield, it was substantially brighter and wider than with the factory fogs, massive difference and a big upgrade. With them aimed to match the factory foglight cutoff there’s no gaps in the lighting.

    Final thoughts - The Diode Dynamics SS3 Pro lights are a great upgrade that perform really well, however, in my opinion there are they have a few short comings. The wiring, the cheap look and feel, plastic brackets, the comparatively short warranty that also gets reduced further if you change the beam pattern or lens... but they are very good lights. With owning both it’s my opinion that if you’re already spending $320, I would just spend more and get the Baja Designs lights - personally I just can’t get past how cheap they look and feel. The extra cost for the Baja quality and lifetime warranty seem worth it to me, especially when you can pick them up during group buy pricing, but you can make a strong argument for the value of the Diode Dynamics.

    SS3s in my Highlander
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    Baja pro driving combo
    https://youtu.be/LgWlS8jm6iY
     
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    IMHO the warranty speaks volumes. Never having any experience with BD, I can't speak about they're quality, but there are only so many companies that offer that kind of warranty in the offroad industry.
    Having purchased plenty of Rigid products for my 5th gen, I wanted one for my 4th gen. I bought a discontinued Rigid 20" on Amazon from a 3rd party seller (yea I know, mistake). It didn't work of course.
    I called Rigids customer service just to do some investigation for my amazon claim, and the gentlemen says, "read me the number off the power lead". He then responds, "Yep, it's one of ours, send it in we'll fix it for free and go through it to make sure there is nothing else wrong with it. You get it here, we'll ship it back". So for the price of one way shipping I got it fixed, instead of messing with an amazon claim and possibly getting frustrated in the process.
    So in short, I have heard nothing but good things about BD, and there is most likely a reason why. There are dozens of cheaper alternatives out there, but when it comes to lighting for off road, I like the set it and forget it quality of a good company.
     
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    Sometimes a cheap asshole... I’ve had this in my cart on Amazon for like a year and finally pulled the trigger on it. It’s sad, I know, but I’m pretty excited to try this out. Maybe it’s just me but I have a hell of a time actually getting grease to go into the driveshaft fittings.

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    Some days are better than others when it comes to that. There are times I swore I felt it snap down on the fitting lol. I recently started to loosen the actual fitting on the G-Gun a half turn and then tighten it real snug on the zerk.

    I would really like to find a right angle fitting that seats properly on the zerk for doing my Califab lower link bushings, instead of having to drop them down out of their cradle. The ICON lowers on my 5th gen don't even have a zerk fitting, so they have to come down and get disassembled anyway.

    I'm way OCD when it comes to grease intervals lol. Just talking about it makes me want break out the work lights.

    Oh and Welcome back! I can relate to being on the road for weeks at a time. Most I ever did was 6 cities in 6 weeks with only my travel days for down time. 40+ days in a row ain't easy.
     
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    May I ask how you're doing the rear fog in red? Lens cover or some other solution? I'm assuming independent switch for it? I miss this feature/function in poor weather from my VW/Audis.
     
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    The right side reverse light I’ll probably just tie directly into the reverse light circuit since it only pulls .9 amps of power. Baja Designs has colored lenses available so it’s a simple lens swap to have it red.

    I haven’t decided how I want to tie that one in yet. Either a separate switch or I’ll tie it into the front fogs. I just picked up an OEM bumper cover to have as a spare, I’m going to cut my current one up and add a Hefty plate bumper, when I do that I’m going to change up the front lights a bit. The shitty Rago light bar has to go, I literally never it.

    Currently besides low beams and high beams the switches are setup from left to right as follows
    1- foglights
    2 - ditch lights
    3 - light bar
    4 - left side lights
    5 - right side lights

    I’m thinking I’ll end up replacing the light bar with the current front foglights (pro driving combo) and another set of pods. Change the current set of fogs to SAE lights, maybe tied together with the rear fog light.

    1 - SAE front fogs
    2 - rear fog
    3 - ditch lights and front pods
    4 - left side lights
    5 - right side lights

    or

    1 - front SAE lights with rear fog
    2 - ditch lights and front pods
    3 - spare
    4 - left side lights
    5 - right side lights

    The way I use it I don’t feel the need to have non street legal lights that go the same direction on separate switches. The not legal fogs for example I didn’t run on the street and I never use them off road without the ditch lights on as well to further widen the field of view. Those might as well be setup together on 1 switch.

    I’ve also considered wiring SAE front fogs with the rear fog but utilizing the factory fog light stalk switch to cut the rear out if I wanted to. I’d be able to run the front and the rear, or the front, just not the rear by itself. But I don’t see a scenario where I’d want the rear on without the fronts.

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    Thanks, it’s pretty typical. My work is all travel. I generally leave for 3 weeks, come home for a weekend, leave for another 3, then come home and have a month off. Or 4 weeks with a weekend home in the middle then 2-3 weeks off. With COVID though and post travel quarantine I haven’t been doing the weekends home in the middle of a rotation, that makes it hard because they feel so much longer.
     
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    I used to enjoy the adventure of it all, but I'm pushing 60 yrs and at 6'6", air travel is almost torture these days. When we got back to work, Covid allowed me to drive to a lot of gigs this year but that has it's own logistical problems as well. All things considered, I'm still very fortunate, and feel terrible for the thousands of people who aren't back to work yet because this crap.
     
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    Are the Limited fogs mounted the same as the other models?
     
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    Yes
     
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    I liked this post. Not because I like the contents of the post, but I like the thoroughness. I actually didn't want to read it all because it was so long, but I'm glad I did. Those pictures....ouch! Maybe I won't hold out for Prinsu on the BF deals this year....
     
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    Metal arrived
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    Construction began
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    Headed for powdercoat
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    It’s funny to say it, but we literally made and delivered a baby faster than they’ve made an delivered a bumper.

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    Stock....for now
    LOL! Congratulations!
     
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