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Agent_Outside: Adventures in a 4Runner Limited

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by Agent_Outside, Jan 19, 2019.

  1. Aug 13, 2020 at 4:37 PM
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    Part of our planing for having a second kid was to get rid of the Jetta for a larger vehicle. The 4Runner is the perfect size but to a point is has kind of turned into a purpose built adventure vehicle of sorts. It’s not the most practical vehicle and it gets terrible gas mileage, it will make it anywhere but we don’t necessarily want to drive it everywhere.

    We were looking for an SUV big enough to fit 2 car seats (especially when moments backwards facing), a usable 3rd row, and still fit in the garage. We wanted a nice, comfortable, reliable, own-for-a-couple-hundred-thousand-miles midsize SUV, that’s not built off a truck chassis, and has some semblance of fuel economy. Our search brought us to looking for a clean low mile 2016 Toyota Highlander XLE AWD in any color but white.

    - 2016 was the last year of 6 speed trans and port fuel injection before they changed to the somewhat problem prone 8 speed trans and dual port and direct injection fuel systems 2017 and newer- I don’t want to give up long term durability and dependability for systems that add cost and complexity to repairs in exchange for a very small bump in efficiency, if you want to keep it forever, start with keeping it simple and reliable.
    - XLE trim level is the way to go because it’s as loaded as you can get (nav, heated seats, leather, 3 zone climate control, smart key, power lift gate, etc) without having to get driver assist systems or the huge panoramic sunroof. Drivers assist systems add significant cost to minor repairs and maintenance, plus they are more expensive to insure, and no manufacturer builds a good panoramic roof, they are all garbage and prone to leaks.
    - AWD is a given, we’re avid Colorado skiers, AWD with snow tires is standard equipment for safe travel in the mountains during winter.
    - Any color but white because even though Toyota builds great quality vehicles they have way too many issues with trying to make white paint stick to vehicles. The Highlander is NOT included in the white paint warranty extension Toyota put out on a bunch of vehicles, but even if it was, it’s just not something I want to deal with.

    So, with a car in mind, I’ve been actively looking for about 9 months now. I started looking locally but after a couple months I expanded the search nation wide looking for the right car. I’m good with a vehicle 1,000 miles away in Georgia, but I’m not good with a vehicle 1,000 miles away from the land of road salt in the Midwest. It’s amazing how many cars I found that fit the description on paper, but when I dug into their history a bit they ended up being vehicles from the rust belt in the North East that got turned in at the end of a lease and went to auction before getting bought by an out of state dealer. An amazing large number of them had damage reported in CarFax as well, it was like the bumpers got banged up and they submitted it to insurance to fix it before turning in the lease. We did have 2 that got away, they both got sold out from under us while we were trying to work out a price.

    We finally found a winner. 2016 Toyota Highlander XLE AWD, maroon with black interior - 29,4XX miles, it was purchased (not leased) locally, 1 owner, 5K, 10k, 20k, 30k, and 40k services were all done and documented by the Toyota dealership when they were due by time instead of mileage, CarFax looked great, super clean inside and out. As an added bonus it had clear bra, window tint, mud flaps, roof rack crossbars, and all weather floor mats for all 3 rows dealer installed prior to being sold new, plus it was spec’d with the optional second row captain chairs. During the used car inspection it got 4 wheel brakes and tires, oil change, wiper blades, and an alignment.

    The price was a bit high, it was listed above KBB and NADA fair market value, and they were one of those “one price” dealerships that have a set price they will not negotiate but the car was to good to pass up over $1500. We bought it Saturday from the BMW dealer and my god, I had to deal wIth the laziest most condescending asshole of a salesman ever, he really seemed to have the “you’re just a dumb broke kid” mentality, it was a challenge to not just walk away, it kills me this prick is going to make a commission on “selling” me the vehicle when I’m fact I bought the vehicle despite having to deal with him.

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    When I got it home it was time to get to work on not. The dealership did the basics but they missed the chip in the windshield, a door seal falling off, and some corrosion starting on the negative battery cable that I made them fix before taking it home but so obviously didn’t trust their quality of work. They slathered on so much tire shine it splattered all over the entire on the way home and the whole interior and all the door jambs were fuckin drenched in this greasy slimy bullshit detailer spray. I started with detailing it inside and out and then started on maintenance and a very in depth inspection and maintenance to start preparing it for The long haul.

    This greasy shit was all over the door jambs and the interior.
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    It’s always difficult to clean around emblems, and I flat out don’t like them, so debadging it was part of the exterior detail.
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    Onto the maintenance:
    - In depth inspection of everything.
    - Replaced engine oil, oil filter, oil pan drain plug crush washer. The oil change was done during the used car inspection but who knows what oil they actually used, did they get 0W20 or did they throw in whatever they had in stock? I’d rather just replace it with 50 miles on the oil and know it’s correct.
    - Replaced transfer case fluid and drain and fill plug crush washers.
    - Replaced rear differential fluid and drain and fill plug crush washers.
    - Replaced engine air filter.
    - Replaced cabin air filter.
    - It got new tires during the used car inspection but of course the dealer didn’t clean up the old wheel weight residue. I removed the wheels and cleaned up the inner barrels, got the tape reaidue off, then torqued the wheels with a torque wrench that still has a valid calibration certification. When taking them off I had found 1 finger tight lug nut they forgot to actually tighten.
    - Set tire pressures, the 4 new tires were all 8 psi overfilled and the spare was 35 psi low! So much for the Toyota service department that had done all the maintances to that point and this dealers used car inspection, lazy jackasses!
    - Topped off the coolant overflow bottle that was at the minimum mark, again, so much for the used car inspection. But I do have Toyota coolant on hand, I’d rather put that in than have them top it off with who knows what.
    - Flushed brake fluid.
    - Replaced remote batteries.
    - Degreased and power washed the underbody.
    - Took into my old work had my buddy do a 4 wheel alignment on it. They said they did it with the new tires, and technically it was in spec, but it was definitely a green it good so set the toe and go. My buddy that I worked side by side with for about 4 years actually dialed it in and get everything spot on perfect.

    Really I did pretty much everything except trans fluid and spark plugs. I considered doing them but at just shy of 30K miles I didn’t really feel it was necessary, especially when Toyota charges like $25 per plug!

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  3. Aug 13, 2020 at 5:17 PM
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    Dude, looks mint. Congrats.
    F the salesman douche bag.
     
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    It was seriously one thing after another with that guy.


    This thing was just listed, they only have 1 pic of the car so knowing how quickly they had been selling I made an appointment for the next morning to come see the car. That night the salesman texts me and says the car hasn’t gone through the shop yet so it hasn’t had a safety inspection and we wouldn’t be able to drive it. I told him that’s fine I’ll drove out without my wife and check it out to see if it’s worth being big here back to see once’s it’s finished. I asked him if he had an idea of time until it would be ready and I never got an answer.


    So the next morning I make the 2 hour round trip down to see the car. The guy was late for our appointment, when he came up he’s like ok let’s go try to find the car. I don’t know why he didn’t have this ready if he had an appointment to show it, the car should have been up front washed and waiting. So we get in a BMW and drive around trying to find it, we’re driving through the shop looking for it and we finally find it on the turn table. It’s been through the shop, it’s detailed, it’s ready to go, and the photographer is doing the photos for the website. I left my wife behind because as of late last night it hadn’t gone through the shop, but first thing the next morning it’s done and ready to go?


    As we walk up the salesman says “so I’m not a Toyota expert, so I’m not going to be able to answer any questions you might have.” I’m thinking wtf kind of statement is that, how about “I’m not real familiar with Toyota but if you have any questions let me know, I can do some research and get back to you”. I guess this prick was lucky that he didn’t need to actually sell the car. So we’re standing there awkwardly while the photographer does his thing. Like 5 minutes goes by and the salesman says so what do you think, do you want it? I said I’m just waiting for this guy to finish doing his thing so I can actually get in it and drove it and check it out.


    So we grab the car and take it outside. First he starts questioning what I’m doing when I popped the plastic engine cover off to inspect the engine for leaks, signs of rodents, etc. I give it a relatively quick look over and I ask the salesman if we can take it to service and have them lift it so I can look it over underneath. He’s like no, we’re not going to be able to do that. I asked why. He like well our techs are the best in the industry and every vehicle goes through an X point inspection and the car are brought back to like new condition, there’s really no reason you need to see under it. I’m like well in the couple minutes I’ve been looking it I’ve found the door seal falling off, corrosion on the negative battery terminal, and a chip in the windshield, I’d to see underneath to make sure there’s nothing else your awesome techs might have missed that you’re going to need to fix. So they put it up and I got to check it out.


    Next is trade in evaluation. Long story short grandma was interested in our car. We told her we’d trade in her old 200,000 mile ‘06 Saturn and she could have our 60,000 mile Jetta. I drove the Saturn down, so they start checking it out to evaluate a price. Sales douche wanted me to go to the dmv, get it titled and registered in my name so I could trade it in myself. I’m like absolutely fuckin not, there is zero change I’m spending a penny on this car just to get rid of it. He’s like well if grandma and grandpa are on the title they will need to come and sign paperwork. I’m like correct... what’s the problem?


    They agreed to fix the things I found but he wanted me to take it and bring it back at a later date. I refused. He’s like well typically we just include a we owe in the paperwork and we make an appointment to have the repairs made. I said I’m not driving 2 hours round trip to come back. I’ll put the deposit down, you will fix it, and when it’s 100% ready to go I will come back with my wife so she can see it and drive it, since that didn’t happen today, then we’ll do paperwork and take it home. They agree so I put a deposit down on it and I went home for the night. He starts texting me that night that everything else is done but it’ll be a couple weeks until their windshield guy comes so he want me take it anyway. I’m like no, we went over this multiple times, I’m still not willing to do that. I got a safe life quote for aftermarket glass and factory glass, told them to split the difference and take that off the price of the car ($685) and I’ll deal with the windshield on my own.


    The next morning they agreed to give money off for the windshield if I would come that day. I said sure. From there he starts pressing me about numbers, how much we were going to put down etc. I had already talked to my CC company and told them to expect a large purchase and I got my credit limit extended. I told the salesman the down payment was going to depend on interest rates. In fact I had mentioned that multiple times by that point. He’s like yeah after we do the credit app we’ll submit it to the bank and we’ll pass along the best rate to you. We do the online credit app, dude calls us back and he’s like all right everything looks good, we got it submitted to the bank, we’re good to go for 5.25% for 72 months. I’m like no dude wtf is wrong with you? I’m like don’t even waste my time with that bullshit, literally 3 minutes of research and I’m seeing non-manufacturer CPO finance deal bank rates on regular used cars at like 3.6-3.7% all over the place. I’m like don’t call me back until you can figure out how to get a reasonable rate for credit scores well over 800. 5 minutes later he’s calling me back again, ok I got 3.5% and you can pick the term length. I said 3.5 is reasonable, we’re going to discuss the down payment quick and I’ll text him back in a bit. He was in a big hurry to try to paperwork done and ready for us to sign when we got there. I text him and I’m like ok with 3.5% we’re going to do another 14K on top of the 1K deposit, so a total of 15K down via credit card we’ll be there maybe 5 minutes.


    We showed up and I’m like ok my wife is going to take a look at and then we’ll be back in with my credit card. Dudes like you can only use a CC for $1000, any amount above that needs to be a personal check. I’m like why the fuck have you never mentioned that up to this point? (I want my 2% cash back from my credit card!) I’m like I didn’t bring a check book, we don’t use checks for anything. We looked up Chase banks nearby and all of them were closed by then (3pm on a Saturday). He’s like well you wouldn’t tell me how much money you were going to put down you just kept saying it was going to depend on the rates. I told him if I put $1000 down as a deposit yesterday, literally anything else would have had to be via check at this point, but it’s my fault you couldn’t put that together. I’m like YOU failed to mention that until I’m standing here in the building trying to buy it. I said this is the second 2 hour round trip down here, I will not be making a third. I said let’s go do the paperwork for $15,000 down and when we’re done you can fond a porter to follow us home and they can pick up and bring back a check. He’s like no way, we can’t do that blah blah blah. I’m ok, go get the sales manager, I’ll explain to him that my lazy and condescending salesman is fuckin up a done deal because he forgot to mention this major detail and see if he’d rather watch us walk out or if he’d rather send some asshole to follow us home to pick up a check. He walks off all pissed off muttering under his breath. A few minutes later the sales manager is over there apologizing that they were clear about their process and since they won’t do the CC for that amount, they have a new sales trainee that needs some seat time in some different BMWs so it’s non problem to send him to follow us home and grab a check from us.


    I never said anything about my background or anything like that until he insisted I needed an extended warranty and wanted to know why I wouldn’t buy it. I’m like because I have 12 years in a shop as dual brand master tech and shop foreman. He’s like oh... well you’d still have to buy parts, what dealership do you work at? I said I don’t anymore, now I do quality testing and development of preproduction and prototype vehicles and technology. I not concerned with parts. At that point it was just finishing some paperwork we really didn’t have anything else to say to one and other.

    I didn’t come in with an attitude but I sure as hell left with one.
     
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  5. Aug 14, 2020 at 10:18 AM
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    Nightmare.
    Just a sobering reminder how YOU need to look out for yourself because no one else will.
    I'm glad you are a guy that stands up for yourself, too many people don't these days and then play the victim card after the fact.
    Trust, but verify.
     
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    Speaking of looking out for yourself...

    Just a friendly reminder to everyone in general, when you get rid of a vehicle that’s not poverty spec, you need to do your own due diligence with wiping data. When I picked up my Highlander in the owners manual case was some paperwork showing the original owners names and address. The “Home” address in the nav was still saved aa their house, the address book had their work, kids schools, homes of relatives still stored, etc. and the homelink garage door openers hadn’t been cleared etc. I could have told the nav to drive me home, went to their house and got in through the garage. Dealers are supposed to delete personal data, obviously that doesn’t always happen.

    Entune has an option to delete personal data - contacts, address book, the names of phones that were paired, home, recent destinations, etc etc etc. and wiping homelink is as simple as holding the first and third button down for like 10-15 seconds until the indicator flashes. The process is quick and easy, be smart and don’t rely on someone else to protect your info. Taking care of you definitely starts with you.
     
  7. Aug 15, 2020 at 6:56 PM
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    I didn’t understand why so many people are cutting between him and dresser, they are driving into the shoulder he’s standing on. It’s like wtf is wrong with you people, your making an unfortunate situation dangerous for everyone because you can’t stop for 30 seconds and help? People are shit.

    I was just watching my mirrors while slowly creeping forward making sure there was a line of stopped vehicles behind me. I don’t trust the general population enough to stop in a lane on the highway and not get wiped out by a distracted driver, I wanted to make sure there was a buffer of a few stopped vehicles before committing to getting out.
     
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    People are so caught up in their little life that they don’t care about others.
     
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    Heading out Wednesday night
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    Thursday we went for a hike through and ancient forest of 1000 year old trees

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    Loving this thread so far, keep it up!

    Where did you get the underbody pressure washer attachment? I need one in my life lol
     
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    Amazon, but you can even Home Depot tends to stock a Ryobi version. Effectiveness will be dependent on the psi rating of the power washer.
     
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    Highlanders are awesome, my wife bought an 2006 Hybrid Limited Highlander new back in the days. Almost 190,000 miles now, only 100K tune up, replaced a couple battery cells, nothing ever malfunctioned/failed. Still going strong!
     
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    Awesome thanks dude.
     
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    A couple weeks ago I had my first problem with the 4Runner. It was really hot, the 4Runner was reading 99 on the display, we had 4 adults and my son in it and we were sitting there idling a long slow moving drive thru line. Everything was fine for a and then I started to notice it was getting hot in there. I’m like uh oh, I hope the A/C didn’t just take shit. I checked the gauges and saw the coolant temp up above normal, not dangerously high, not overheating, but climbing for sure so I turned the a/c off and shut the truck down instead of letting it idle. I kept starting it to move my way up and then I’d shut it down again. Once we made it though the drive thru line and I got on the road moving again everything was fine. That makes sense - high heat load at ideal, no air flow, temps climb, it cuts out the a/c compressor... sounds like typical electric fan failure. A few days later I got around to taking a look at it, there is no electric fan, its just the single belt driven fan with the hydraulic clutch. I didn’t remember off the top of my head but I was assuming there was an electric push fan out in the front of the a/c condenser as a supplement to the pull fan on the engine, not the case.

    I started checking temps and testing components in the cooling system, and determined it was in fact an airflow issue. I loosen up and the radios to pull it back and low and behold, about 1/3 of the radiator face was blocked from flowing air. Gave it a good cleaning and it’s good to go.

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    Dude, for the first time today I saw this thread from the beginning. I clicked "Like" so many times my finger hurts. This is my "Like All" post :D What an excellent log of your adventures, with such great pics. Well done!
     
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    Thanks, and yeah there’s definitely no shortage of content in here lol
     
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    That reminds me that I need to clean my tacoma's radiator. It been a couple years now. Also need to get my son to check the 4runner, since he's driving it.
     
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    The Gaylord Palms? I went there with my wife and kids for Xmas of 2019. She had been there for work before but it was my first time. That place was really cool. Also really enjoying this thread. Motivating me to do some things I've been meaning to do. Thanks, keep it up.
     
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    Yup. Awesome place. We got like 4 days 3 nights there in an upgraded room for free. I’m platinum elite through Marriot with more points than I know with.

    But that’s awesome to hear I was able to provide some motivation, part of my goal with this thread is to inspire.
     
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    It’s always nice when the first stop is the liquor store and by the time you’re done running errands you come home to cold beer!

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    Time to see what all the hype is about...

    Diode Dynamics SS3 Pro. First impression: the look, the feel, the materials used, the overall quality and fit and finish is not on the same level as the Baja Designs Squadrons. They are expensive but they kinda feel like cheap knockoffs.

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    (The SS3s are going in the Highlander, the Squadron Pros are staying in the T4R)
     
  27. Sep 7, 2020 at 6:54 AM
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    Is the housing plastic?
     
  28. Sep 7, 2020 at 7:40 AM
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    The DD housing is cast aluminum with plastic mounting brackets. The BD housing is machined aluminum with metal mounting brackets.
     
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  29. Sep 8, 2020 at 8:48 AM
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    Hey, it’s like I actually know things sometimes...

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  30. Sep 8, 2020 at 9:30 AM
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    Thatbassguy New member? Really??

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    RSG sliders, Yakima offgrid basket, Pro-Comp wheels, SOS Streamline bumper and skids, Warn VR EVO10S winch + Ultimate Sidewinder, Bilstein 6112 + 5100 + rear lift coils, Rigid Dually SS ditch lights w/Caliraised brackets and OEM style dash switch
    Looks like doing your homework paid off. Lawsuit or none, I wouldn't want to deal with a problematic vehicle. Good call!
     

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