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6th gen Speculation Thread

Discussion in '6th Gen 4Runners (2025+)' started by nimby, Jun 14, 2021.

  1. Feb 11, 2024 at 8:48 PM
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    I drive slow when I'm not in a hurry for this exact reason. I'll take back-roads, or hang out in the slow lane and save a few gallons. Even with the 295 MT's, I've gotten close to 20 MPG at 55-65 MPH. Meanwhile, I'll get like 13-14 at 80.
     
  2. Feb 11, 2024 at 9:12 PM
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    For hauling stuff and road trips, my long range cruiser is a Ford F250 with the 7.3 gas V8, crew cab, long bed, so it comes with the large 48 gallon tank, it is a 4wd so it sits a few inches higher than the 2wd model. I stay in the slower lanes and keep it under 70, as a result with people, all the crap in the bed, I can get 18-19mpg cruising. I don't usually need to find refueling until I push past 800 miles on the tank so every 2nd or 3rd pitstop depending on how small my passengers' bladders are. :D
     
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  3. Feb 12, 2024 at 4:19 AM
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    Don’t you think that prices have gone through the roof with new vehicles? It’s ridiculous people are buying so expensive vehicles. Sure people have made a lot of money too in past few years but these car prices are insane.
    I keep thinking something’s gotta give when I see $80,000 vehicles. But I am still waiting, it’s like consumer didn’t mind it at all.
     
  4. Feb 12, 2024 at 5:37 AM
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    Like those Tundras, man, I see them around $80k sticker price, and you know there's still deal crap added on.

    When did pickup trucks (traditionally work vehicles) become luxury cars? And how does everyone keep buying them?
     
  5. Feb 12, 2024 at 5:57 AM
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    I think banks are back to giving out "sub prime" loans again lol. Too many people have debt up to their eye balls, this bubble will burst soon enough I hope.
     
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  6. Feb 12, 2024 at 6:55 AM
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    I suspect most of the higher trim folks don't *need* a truck. Its just the promise of what it means when I own a truck, not necessarily what I do with it. I suspect most such owners use it as regular vehicles. And when neighbors see you rolling in big, expensive truck they want one!

    I still don't understand how it makes financial sense though. Even with OEMs moving towards 6+ year financing options, where is the personal responsibility?

    Maybe I am just a cynical old person, and people are just too rich! I do say "back in my day..." these days a lot, so maybe I am :D
     
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  7. Feb 12, 2024 at 7:14 AM
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    Its high but not crazy high. Plus unlike housing crisis due to the size of loan it won't be such a systemic and global issue.
    https://www.bankrate.com/loans/auto-loans/subprime-auto-loan-delinquencies-surge/

    higher prices + higher interest rates is not a good environment.
     
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  8. Feb 12, 2024 at 7:35 AM
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    I honestly don't see how their pricing of the Land Cruiser makes sense. We know already that the Tacoma can easily creep up against 60k, and the TRD Pro and Overtrail aren't even online yet. I bet there will be a ton of TRD Pro Tacomas over 70k. I can't see the new 4Runner being cheaper than the old one, and the TRD Pro can already be optioned into the 60s without blinking. The pricing of the Land Cruiser makes me think the 4Runner is done - it just doesn't have a home in the price bracket of the lineup.
     
  9. Feb 12, 2024 at 8:03 AM
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    I think it might stay on par with the Taco. They have to, they can't overlap too much with the LC.
     
  10. Feb 12, 2024 at 8:05 AM
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    So 70k for a PRO? I'm buying a Land Cruiser if it's even 60s without blinking. This pricing does not make sense. The Land Cruiser starts at 55k - which is in the middle NOT top end of the Tacoma. There's no room in the market for another vehicle - I just don't see it (and I worked in price analysis for some of the largest companies in the US).
     
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  11. Feb 12, 2024 at 8:07 AM
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    Banks will do the sub prime again because there are the people that try to act like they are rich by purchasing a car they can’t really afford. Unfortunately for them they don’t understand that most well off people don’t by the most expensive car.
     
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  12. Feb 12, 2024 at 8:07 AM
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    Yeah the Pro makes no sense you're right about that. I think the biggest seller they'll have will probably be the TRD ORP like TFL got. I think they said they paid $45k for their Taco ORP.
     
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  13. Feb 12, 2024 at 8:14 AM
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    With cloth seats, no BSM, no real options. It's into the 50s for the 4Runner no doubt.
     
  14. Feb 12, 2024 at 8:18 AM
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    Guess we'll see how they price it, but, they might keep it close to the Taco esp because the body of the 6th gen spy shots do look a little smaller than the current 5th gen. I also think they'll keep it slightly smaller so it doesn't cannibalize LC sales since the 5th gen is almost the same size.
     
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  15. Feb 12, 2024 at 8:23 AM
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    If the top 4Runner crosses into the Landcruiser price range, Toyota will be sabotaging sales of their 4Runners.

    I would definitely go for a Landcruiser if this happens.

    [​IMG]
     
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  16. Feb 12, 2024 at 8:28 AM
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    But the LCs that are priced similar to the fully loaded 4Rs won't be as fancy inside, some might prefer the 4R just to get the fancier interior and amenities.
     
  17. Feb 12, 2024 at 8:31 AM
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    And don't forget the new Lexus Overtrail that starts under 70k. I see myself going for one of those for the wife in the near future.
     
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    They used to differentiate their products well. By making grill hideous but interior quiet and plush they appealed to certain customers. Now the GX550, LC, and new re-designed 4R when it comes out will be too close. There is a lot of ovrlap.

    Something has to give -- maybe they make 4R more utilitarian, smaller strictly offroady? I'd be OK with that. So maybe 5th gen pricing isn't really a guide for next gen.

    Otherwise I can not explain their pricing either.
     
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  19. Feb 12, 2024 at 11:25 AM
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    Let's recap this mess.
    • 2024 Lexus GX
    • 2024 Toyota Landcruiser
    • 2025 Toyota 4Runner
    And lots of trim models. That's a lot of SUVs to differentiate in price and options.

    Landcruiser and GX looking almost exactly the same on the outside except for the front end. Same roof rack. Same window shapes. Same side panel designs. Same trim molding. Same divider line at the top of A-pillar. Same hood lines.

    2024 Landcruiser

    [​IMG]

    2024 Lexus GX

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. Feb 12, 2024 at 11:36 AM
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    Just like Toyota sold Avalons for many years without sabotaging Lexus LS sales, I see no issues with them selling current line of products. Lexus will always have nicer interior, for people that want and can afford to pay will always go for that.
     
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  21. Feb 12, 2024 at 11:43 AM
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    It's a mess to the un-initiated.

    The LC and GX are brothers. Both share the same body, frame, and drivetrain; but the powertrain differs. LC will be hybrid only from the Grand Highlander while the GX will have a the turbo 6 from the Tundra/Sequoia. Both will have the same full time 4X4 with center lock and rear locker optional. The biggest difference also is that the GX is a lux vehicle just like a BMW... the LC is not, it's a standard Toyota interior, nothing lux about it.

    The 6th gen 4R and 4th gen Taco are also brothers. Same body, frame, drivetrain, and will have the same powertrain options. Both have the part time 4X4; I assume the 4R will be the same exact thing with the rear locker offered in the OR and Pro trims.
     
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    This is what I keep hoping for. Although, that will make it harder not to buy one.
     
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    The funniest things in these threads are second-guessing Toyota's competence in setting prices and banks' ability to make money on loans.
     
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    Same here, needs to be smaller and more nimble than our 5th gens. But based on the C&D spy shots, it does indeed looks a little smaller which I like. Our 5th gen drives like a RAM 1500 lol... not complaining, I love that honestly. Also, theoretically, it should be a little lighter because of the turbo 4.
     
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    We're not 2nd guessing. We're just speculating for fun, until Toyota gives us some concrete looks.
     
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    In my area the people with the nicest new trucks are all renters. I own my house out right but drive Toyotas and a base trim Ford work truck. If someone drove by they could mistake me for the landscaper since I do my own yard work, while the renters are required by landlords to hire landscapers. :D
     
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    I would like the GX just for the motor over the hybrid system in the, uh, "Land Cruiser".

    I wonder if there can be a Toyota Prado badge kit for the GX...maybe I am just old fashioned but I would rather be seen in a Toyota than a Lexus if I can help it, I live in an okay area but I do go to nearby towns that are a bit more car-jacky for work.
     
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    I know. everyone sounds pretty big deal on the internet (including me!). They certainly know what they are doing, one would think.
     
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    I didn't see anyone saying Toyota doesn't know what they're doing.

    I saw (and made) comments about not understanding the pricing of the different models, and the level of market segmentation. Maybe saying it doesn't make sense [to me].

    These are two different things.

    My guess, for this to be practical/profitable for Toyota, is that these multiple models share enough in common that there is not an excessive cost associated with having multiple models. So there's less downside to any cannibalization of sales.
     
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    https://www.gbnews.com/lifestyle/car-news-toyota-electric-vehicles

    "The Japanese car manufacturer forecast it will have its most profitable year on record due to hybrid sales.
    Earnings even hit $30.3billion in the fiscal year ending March.
    The success comes after concern about Toyota’s refusal to mirror other manufacturers drive to electric vehicles."

    They seem to know what they are doing.
     
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