6th gen 4Runner pricing estimate vs Land Cruiser vs GX550

Thanks for sharing. I feel like Toyota/Lexus put more effort on the GX550 than they did on the LC.

 

It's not weird at all.

Consider the possibility that the US market J70-200 Land Cruiser first buyers simply don't spend much time thinking about 4Runners, the latter being a regional offshoot of the Prado that is not currently sold in any real number anywhere else in the world besides NA and some time ago under a different name in Japan.

The last time full size LC was sold here the typical unit, before you pull up Edmunds data, I'm not talking about the base price, but price of one they actually build for the US, shipped to the US was ~2x the price of the highest possible trim 4Runner in 2021 at 52k, thus the buyers were in a completely different segment.

If Toyota sold this thing here, the line for it even at $120k would be epic. Yet they sell it in Australia for the equivalent of 65k US with, get this, a diesel engine. But nope, Toyota is gonna squeeze the US market as long as idiots pay >J300 prices for reskinned Prados with noisy and vibration-laden T24A motors.

 

Damn. That's a truly depressing set of observations.

 

For amusement, talk to your Lexus dealer about setting up a 60-month lease for a new GX550. Look at the lease-end buyout value. That's how much Lexus estimates it'll be worth after 5 years.

 

I wanted a GX550, we went to the dealer to look at one, ended up with a demo LX600.

 

Meanwhile the off-road crowd, for 30% original MSRP

 

Y'all go ahead, I'm after the pre-PredatorFace GX460....

 

Wait, doesn’t the Land Cruiser require (or recommend?) premium? I’d guess same for the GX too?

 

^Yes both require premium. Gotta pay to play.

The Tacoma requires regular and the power/fuel economy numbers are rated on regular, but makes an extra 20 hp / 14 lb-ft with premium:

 

you also need prem for the LC250 but not for the 4R or taco

 

Optimum running is 91 octane, however, Toyota also seems to be acknowledging that a customer who drove off the lot in a $40k Tacoma SR5 may be more sensitive to paying $.40-1.00 more per gallon than the guy driving a $75k GX or $60k LC250. Makes sense.

 

the funny part will be in the future you will only be able to put higher octane gas in any engine since the boost will be so much that the higher octane will be a mandatory requirement to prevent pre detonation.

 

Canuckistan configurator is out: https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/build-price/4runner

Interestingly the OR gasser and OR hybrid are only about $1k apart:

 

That must be a mistake? 67,712 CAD is 47106 USD. No way a hybrid ORP is going to cost less than a US OR Gas-only model at 49.2k. The US site shows the ORP IforceMax s 57,770 right now in USD.

https://www.toyota.com/configurator...bap_guid=800a62cb-66de-4de3-8d04-7adb7865407d

TRD Off-Road Premium i-FORCE MAX
Base MSRP $57,770*

And ouch just to re-read that a 25 OR with manual cloth seats is going to cost more than a 24 ORP starting price.

 

^OR hybrid pricing is close to what they announced a month ago https://media.toyota.ca/en/releases/2024/toyota-announces-pricing-of-the-all-new-2025-4runner.html Canadian prices are not direct currency conversions.

 

Okay...and? The fees don't make that much difference, CAD$ 70251 = 48,868.75USD. That's wildly cheaper than the US ORP Hybrid at 57k. US states sales tax ranges from no tax like Oregon to 10.25% where I am or even higher. I am quoting the US number without fees just like CAD prices without fees.

Your snap shot shows CAD67712 for the Hybrid with the OffRoadPremium package. Is there difference between Canadian "Off Road Premium" Hybrid versus a US market ORP Hybrid?

 

^Yeah I just checked the US configurator, $57k becomes $59k after fees. Equipment seem to be the same? Softex seats, multi-terrain monitor, single-zone auto climate control? Though I see on the US configurator the moonroof is an option while it's included in the Canadian model.

 

Curious if there are now tariffs on Japanese-made vehicles (non-pickups), after the US pulled out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership?

 

This is probably the explanation: different pricing for different markets.

Wasn't there just a thread on here about what you get in Australia vs. US, if you compare the prices directly? LC300 for less than a 4Runner?

Toyota must think (or know) that enough Americans are silly enough to pay massive markups on mid-range, midsize vehicles.

 

^That or they built fat into the MSRP to allow for significant incentives, which were the norm before covid in the US. That's one thing I noticed last year - 5th gens could be found on US dealer lots with $4k discounts on the hood. Meanwhile Canadian dealers continued to have zero inventory.

 

The SR5s start within 1k of each other between US and Canada. CAD$57265 is USD 39,773.85, compared to US pricing of SR5 starting at $40770.

Some difference in pricing is expected, sure, but 10k difference between Off Road Premium Hybrids? I don't know about that. But if they do in fact sell ORP Hybrids for 10k cheaper in Canada, and able to sell them for 57k here in the States, then you are right, it's the American buyers who pony up the scratch and with the Yen at historically weak levels, Toyota is laughing all the way to the bank.

 

Sorry to rain on your parade, but you won't be seeing cheap used GX550.

Low residual is how dealers make money on the back end of the lease. The last time I leased a vehicle (due to lease incentives) it was 30% under market value at the lease end, so I brought it out. I would be leaving 10K+ on the table if I just turned it in, the same will be true for GX550. All of this is a shell game to make monthly lease payment fit target audience's expected budget and not a dollar less.

Sometimes this can result in very crazy deals, like Ed Bolian leasing high-end EV Audi for about 2K (total) per year.

 

Yep, despite what conventional wisdom says about "luxury cars lose residual value like crazy the first few years", CPO high end brand units, being low mileage and a few years old, especially Lexus seldom see that drop IRL even though most of them have generous basic warranty terms that would cover the car anyway for quite some time after purchase. I wonder if that low residual calculation on paper contributes to the perception that high end cars lose values like rock off a cliff.

 

Who sets the residual value though? It's not the dealer. Should be Lexus Financial? An artificially low residual makes the vehicle uncompetitive with others in the segment (Land Rover/Mercedes/Infiniti) in terms of monthly payments.

 

looks like kbb has invoice prices on base pricing for 2025 4R models

i can live with that price, since i get mine at invoice anyway.

edit : updated pic with options i requested during my allocation reserve request.

msrp matches the options i wanted so i should expect 60k invoice

 

Starting with Tundra pricing and continuing with the Tacoma and 4Runner, Toyota is showing they don't care about the average buyer. I've been driving Toyotas since 1992, when it's time to replace my current vehicles it will be another brand.

 

lol and neither does any other brand, its just a matter who is worse than another brand

 

and pricing from 4 yrs ago compared to now is just nuts. if you wait another 4 yrs, you will say the same for current day prices vs what it will be in 4 yrs.

hell my 14 4R Limited was 41k invoice. but times changes and prices will only increase, that is a given. right now i have a hard time telling the wife if a correct blue comes out on her tundra and we replace our 23 tundra plat with a new version, the price differential is pretty hard to justify.

i mean the msrp was 67k and our invoice was 63k. now the pricing is like 2-3k higher than in feb-2023 for the same vehicle.

 

I can't justify a $10k to $13k price increase for a one year newer ,same model truck.

 

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