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10k oil change interval video

Discussion in '5th Gen 4Runners (2010+)' started by Slopemaster, Sep 13, 2021.

  1. Sep 13, 2021 at 1:52 PM
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    Interesting video! I think there’s lots of variables such as driving habits, length of trips, driving conditions, and so on that come into play, but there’s plenty of lab tests on tacomaworld that show 10k mile oil changes are fine. In the video he did state that’s what happens after 200k miles on the vehicle, and still following a 10k mile oil change.
     
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    I almost never comment in oil change threads because they always end up being a shit show. Here's my 2 cents - it sure as hell can't hurt to do more frequent oil changes. 5K, 3K, whatever floats your boat. I do 5k. If that costs me another $50 per year, that's nothing compared to the note, insurance, and gasoline. And it makes me feel better.
     
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    Best thing is to have a Blackstone or similar oil analyses. That would give everybody an idea on how long they should go in between oil changes. On the other hand, doing an oil change with pure synthetic oil at no more than 6-7k would be cheaper overall than oil change + oil analysis fees (which are around $25 or 30 with TBN). Oil is cheap compared with an engine and is also an easy DIY job.
     
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    And also the driver is an Uber driver. That brings the hardest life on a vehicle since it has almost no highway miles. That shows the quality of Toyota, have a Chevy Cruze do that, even with 5K oil changes, lol...
     
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    Good advice. I do Blackstone tests on my GT500, highly modded ski, and my DD 4Runner every couple of years. Nothing's ever been concerning, but it makes me sleep better at night.
     
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    On tacomaworld this is heavily discussed. There’s a member who has sent samples in every 10k miles and has had normal specs. The engineers who made the vehicle might know a thing or two:D

    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads...sults-from-30k-oil-change-update-100k.505428/
     
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    5k changes all the way !!
     
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    Hard to discount oil analysis and engineers, true, BUT, also hard to discount an actual professional mechanic that works on Toyota's on a daily basis. IMO, it's theoretical vs real world.
     
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    Unless your oil has been sent through Blackstone labs for your particular situation and engine, everyone’s opinion and comfort level will be different.

    Spend $30 and let hem tell you how your oil is doing. Pull a sample at 5000 or 7500 miles, they will tell you how far you can go. Everyone single situation is different.
     
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    Exactly. Some drive stop and go more, others drive highway more. Some people drive harder than others. Some need 3,000 miles oil change, some can go with 10,000 or more. I remember some good years ago, reading a Jeep owner manual, they had different maintenance schedules for offroad use and on-road use. Changing the oil often, other than spending a little bit more money, does not hurt at all and there is no harm doing it. I do Blackstone oil analysis because I want to know in time if there are issues with the engine, the oil change interval is the 2nd reason.
     
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    I personally thing that the Uber driver that had that specific engine issue in the video clip used a cheap oil and also beat the heck out of it. Taxi driving is a killer for any vehicle, add to that long oil change intervals with potentially cheap oil and I am surprised that engine lasted that long. Till recently, I had no idea you can buy synthetic blend oil in 0w20, I thought that this weight is available only as a full synthetic... For few more bucks per 5 quart jug for full synthetic, it really does not worth buying synthetic blend IMO...

    Side note and not apples to apples, but on the 5.7 Ram Rebel that we tow a travel trailer with (between 1-2k miles per oil change), Blackstone always tells me I can go 9,000 miles and I do the oil change at about 7k. I use Mobil 1 Extend performance (which is full synthetic). I asked Blackstone if the oil would make it over 15K, as Mobil 1 advertises, and they still recommended 9k oil change. So yes, there are advertisement gimmicks all over and some people fall for it. I believe Mobil 1 advertises the Extend Performance oil as "up to" 20K, which I am sure is totally doable in light highway driving.
     
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    Between 3-4 K plus each time an oil filter has always worked for me.

    Oil is cheep, engines are expensive.
     
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    This thread is like an oil ocd circle jerk.
     
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    10k with synthetic is absolutely fine...move on
     
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    Yes, as are most of these forum threads. ;)
     
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    I bought a 2021 LR Pro in May and I obsessively scanned these threads for six months as I tried to make a well informed decision as I transitioned from initially wanting a Tacoma to trying decide between a ORP and a Pro. Learned a lot and ultimately pulled the trigger on a Pro. But, now that I have it and am very pleased with it - its just a car! I really question why I am still reading all of this dribble on a daily basis! Out!
     
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    Dealerships prefer to sell cars, really...

    Oil.Changejpg.jpg
     
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    Even if you change your own oil every 5k it’s really not that expensive. Why not do it? I personally would buy a car/truck used with maintenance records of 5k changes versus 10k plus but that’s just me.
     
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    I'd be thrilled to find a used car with actual maintenance records.

    When I sold my Honda and truck, I provided all the old oil plug gaskets from the last 20+ years of oil changes to the buyers, plus some of the removed/replaced parts with receipts. Needless to say, they were in disbelief.
     
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    You saved all the old oil plug gaskets? And I thought *I* was OCD recording everything in a notebook! :bowdown::toast:

    The Uber driver didn’t maintain his Camry properly. Low speed use and lots of idling qualifies as a “Special Operating Condition”.
    According to the Maintenance Guide he should have stuck to a 5,000 mile oil change interval, where it’s stated:

    “Repeated trips of less than five miles in temperatures below 32°F / 0°C:
    - Replace engine oil and oil filter

    Extensive idling and/or low speed driving for a long distance such as police, taxi or door-to-door delivery use:
    -Replace engine oil and oil filter”

    Moral of the story:
    RTFM :evil:
     
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    When my 4runner hits it's 10k miles ill be on my 3rd oil change. Did the 1st at 1k mile, 2nd at 5k and will be every 5k after that. Mobil 1 with oem filter
     
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    As an owner of oil stocks, I thank you for contributing money into my pocket :spending:
     
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    Your welcome.
     
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    The problem I have with blindly dumping oil prematurely is it does not provide any useful information. Anyone can say "changing the oil more often than the owner's manual recommends won't hurt the engine." Will anyone disagree? You can try to claim the engine will last 'X' additional miles because you changed the oil every 5000 miles, or every 500 miles, or every 50 miles if it helps you sleep, but please provide evidence the engine wouldn't have lasted just as long changing oil at the recommended interval. Are you cracking open the engine after each oil change and taking measurements with a micrometer? Are you getting the oil analyzed at each oil change, tracking wear metals and comparing it to an established baseline? If not, then you don't know if there was any benefit to it. It's pure speculation based on seat of your pants, gut feeling, intuition.

    The owner's manual includes a perfectly reasonable set of guidelines for when to change the oil based on your vehicle's operating conditions. They didn't pull this information out of thin air. They arrived at those guidelines through extensive product testing. 5000 miles for "extreme" operating conditions, and 10000 miles for "normal" operating conditions, both of which are outlined in adequate detail. It is also reasonable to interpolate within that range if you operate under a combination of both.

    What isn't included in the owner's manual, for obvious reasons, is an upper limit which covers "optimum" operating conditions = i.e. mostly easy highway miles where the engine stays at full operating temperature for long durations. There is enough empirical evidence from UOA's to suggest that range is anywhere from 10000 to 20000 miles for many off the shelf synthetics (Walmart fodder), and likely more toward the upper end of that range for premium $$ synthetics like Redline.

    How long the oil filters are designed to last is anyone's guess, but I think it's safe to assume a 10000 mile (or 1 year) interval should never be an issue for an oem oil filter, otherwise Toyota would have specified a more robust filter as the cost difference for them would essentially be $0. If your operating conditions fall under the "extreme" category, you may as well change the filter when you change the oil, as the owner's manual recommends.

    Personally I have no desire to go beyond a 10000 mile interval. If I regularly drove a ton of highway miles each month I might get the oil analyzed a few times just to see how far I could safely stretch it, but that would be to strictly satisfy my own curiosity. When you pencil out the cost difference of stretching the interval from 10000 to 15000 miles, the savings is pretty small even if you expect to get 500000 miles on the engine.

    I honestly don't care how anyone else chooses to maintain their vehicle, but these threads only seem to benefit oil companies and auto mechanics.

    For the record, I've been using a 7500 mile interval during the pandemic because my driving patterns have changed (less highway, more short trip stop & go). Pretty scientific isn't it? Makes it easy to remember to bust out the grease gun every other oil change.
     
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    This horse has been beaten to death. Whatever works for me, might not work for others. Psychological oil phobia or facts depending on personalities. So, to each his own.
     
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    Turn the tables and provide evidence that more frequent oil changes hurt the engine.
     
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    I'm barely driving 5000 miles a year, so the mileage debate is purely academic for me. I'm changing the oil every 12 months.

    The oil change interval debate is similar to the life insurance debate. All of us have different levels of coverage and risk depending on our personal responsibilities or circumstances.

    Personally, I hope I don't have to prove that I needed life insurance, but I know its inevitable. :(
     

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