Gas Can Change from EPA....

Good start, but now is the time to roll back ridiculous fleet emissions standards to encourage manufactures to bring back 6 and 8 cylinder engines.

 

Think it's already started. While all (most) of the manufacturers have cut back on EV production due to a lack of sales, I just read the following:

GM: Investing and increasing production of their V-8 engines for their larger Pickups and SUV's.

Dodge: Discontinued their latest version of the 392-Hemi engine in 2022. Now saying they will bring it back for the 2026 Model year.

 

I hope Toyota will re-introduce V-6s for their 4Runners and Tacomas.

 

It’ll buy time for those engine layouts but it’s not going to be a huge pivot as the rest of the world plods along. Of course Stellantis is going with an about-face but given how many Last Call Editions they've made plus their general state I'm not sure they're an example to look to.

Whether a V8 fits in the current platform is one thing, but the V6 is now positioned as a premium Lexus feature and I'm not sure Toyota is keen on muddying up their segmentation further between the four very close vehicles. (4R, LC, GX, LX)

 

Seems Trump has already eliminated the EV mandate and reversed the emissions standards. And with the price of gasoline beginning to drop lower, now would be a good time to bring back those V-6's for the mid-size vehicles.

 

Maybe a NEW V6. The 3.4 TT is clearly dodgy, and the 3.5 from the 3rd gen Taco is a turd.

I'd take the turbo 4 over either of those options.

 

I spill more gas in 6 months with the "safe" cans than I did in the previous 35 years combined with the supposed unsafe cans.

 

You guys really think Toyota is going to do an about face on turbos and 4cyl engines because of the current political climate?

If so, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

Toyota needs to get their head out of the sand. Nissan offers a V-6 in their Frontier pickup. Honda offers a V-6 in their new SUV, what is it called? Passport? Or Pilot?

And all Toyota offers is a tiny piss ant 2.4L 4 cylinder? I don’t care if it has a turbo. It is the perception by a lot of buyers. A 4 banger in these trucks just doesn’t seem right. Trucks like Tacoma and 4Runner need AT LEAST a V-6.

I’ll never buy a 6th gen T4R. If something ever happens to my trusty 5th gen, (wrecked or stolen) I’ll be on the look out for another 5th gen.

Otherwise, as I’m turning 70 next month, I fully expect my current 5th gen to carry me through the rest of my driving days. It’s plenty peppy enough for me the way I drive- no heavy payload or heavy cargo the majority of the time. And I don’t have to hammer it off the line to prove anything to anybody. I don’t need or want a dam turbo on an under-sized 4 cylinder engine.

 

No they don't.

All the hp, torque, towing, and payload stats are comparable. Get the hybrid version and it's more powerful than the V6's you mention.

 

Cylinders are nice and all, but for the buying public, I’m not sure folks will be that picky.

It’s obviously not a perfect comparison as dealers, pricing, etc may vary but the Rogue and Outlander are pretty comparable, the latter being based on the former.

the Rogue’s 3-cylinder VC-turbo doesn’t seem to have slowed down its sales compared to the Outlander that has kept it’s Nissan N/A 4-cylinder - it outsold the Outlander ~5:1 for Q1 2025 (using both company’s reported sales figures)

 

Well, low and behold, it appears the Trump Administration is getting rid of the CAFE rules altogether. So manufacturers can make what sells. Didn't think I would live long enough to see this. Muscle engines here we come !!!! LOL !!

https://spectator.org/the-spectacle...eagan.com&di=79597f59b1dbcd4578844ad19f11b6d9

 

I’d be ecstatic if Toyota brought back the 4.7 V8 into the 4Runner line. Slap on a Maggie and call it a day.

 

I mean, it's been said before on this board and I'll say it again. This administration can wave as many magic wands as it wants to make radical changes but businesses know it will most likely reverse during the next administration, or at least the near-ish future. And as someone mentioned a few posts ago, the rest of the world is marching forward to the same tune. I don't understand this idea everyone has in their head that businesses are going to change their entire model for the US alone, knowing full well it could change back at another blink of an eye

 

It's incredible how people don't understand this yet.

Just the same pie in the sky thinking over and over.

Toyota isn't developing product in 1-3 year increments. They are developing product in 5-10 year increments.

Sure, Dodge and whoever else is struggling will jump on the bandwagon to try and sell a couple of V8 units, but the smart money is on hybrid development......like Toyota has been doing for 30 years now.

 

Getting rid of CAFE will finally give our government the resources to properly focus on the real dangers to the environment and our health… Yes, that’s right….it’s high-time to ban ChEMTrAiLS!!!

They’ve been trying to poison us for far too long!

I’ve even heard that they are using nefarious technology which allows cars and home furnaces to make chemtrails, but for some reason it only works during cold winters!!! We need to stop them before they master the technology for ground level chemtrails at any temperature!

 

MIGA: Make Incandescents Great Again.

(And make them in the United States!)

 

70 here next month as well, finished buying automobiles also, the 4R is it….but….early bday present from ….myself….Honda Talon SxS!

 

Even the non-hybrid 2.4 makes more torque than any N/A V6 Toyota has ever offered in a 4Runner or Taco.

300+ foot pounds at 1700 RPM? Yes please!

Every single review I've seen of these tnga vehicles has specifically mentioned what an improvement the 2.4 is over the previous V6s.

 

Agree! You make excellent points, most auto manufacturers are looking a decade out, not just the next election cycle.

Another thing to think about, is that the current administration is trying to open up other markets to US vehicles. If "domestic" manufacturers are now producing vehicles with an eye for foreign markets, those markets typically don't want large, V6 or V8 powered vehicles. They want smaller vehicles with smaller, efficient engines, I believe a lot of them are taxed based on engine displacement.

Stelllantis is flailing right now, grasping at straws. It's likely very easy for them to put the V8s back in production as a stopgap for the next few years, while they perfect their 6-cylinder. GM never went away from v8s, so it makes sense for them to stick with it for a few more years. If you notice though, the V8 is optional, I believe the standard engine now is a four-cylinder, and they also have a V6 option. Ford still offers the V8 in the F-150, though the the V6s are more popular, and are recommended for serious work duty. I could see them discontinuing it after the next major redesign of the F-150, depending on the take rate.

I love V8s, I grew up driving them I've owned more V8s in my life than anything else. That said, if I were to buy a modern fullsize truck, it would be an F-150 with the 2.7 EcoBoost.