How many are going to trade for a 6th Gen?

How many are going to trade for a 6th Gen?

 

Maybe when my 5th gen hits 400k miles. Only 393100 to go....

 

Haha nah. The interior of the LC was nicer IMO but I don't want a 4 banger turdo in a mid size SUV.

 

When I get north of 300k miles on my Gen 5 Runners, I might consider it. Then we’ll know more about longevity of the new ones. I can’t see the Gen 6 lasting as long as a Gen 5 with its 4cyl turbo. Not even close. The engine and trans in a Gen 5 (dated as it is) will last literally forever and - properly maintained - not need much of anything until at least 300k.

 

I'm going to wait for the 7th Gen to come out. I hear they'll be powered by a liquefied hydrogen engine.

 

I'm with Texoma-Brad, these 4cyl engines aren't like the bulletproof 22re engines, and I'm not a turbo guy. And before you nut jobs out there start saying "you can't compare these engines, the horsepower, torque, blah, blah, blah", I mean build quality. The new Toyotas aren't built like the 5th gen 4runner or any of the older Japanese built trucks .

 

So true about the older Japanese trucks. My FJ40 Land Cruiser is still on its original 4.2L straight-6 (2F) at nearly 46 years of age. Bullet-proof. Low-tech to all get-out, but I don't care. Nobody built a better engine than Toyota. Time will tell is that's still true with these 4banger turbos.

 

Why not?

 

Dumb idea. Wait for the 8th gen that will fly!

 

How do you know? According to Toyota, they were engineered for turbocharging.

 

I fully intend for my 5th gen 4runner to be the last vehicle I ever own.

 

Not me. MY 2011 and 2018 should last me many years and they don't have all that fancy tech on them.

 

Rattle trap, not smooth and off boost power is not good which can be mitigated with the hybrid version that raises the cargo area floor to fit the battery. Also everything has to be perfect for the engine to make its rated power. Anything the ECU doesn't like will retard the timing to cut power especially during full throttle starts to save the trans.

 

No. Toyota significantly reduced the build quality to reduce costs. Tacomas and Land Cruisers are already having issues. There is no reason the 4runner won't as well. Plus I don't want a 4cyl or hybrid anyway. Unfortunately the v35a is a disaster so I will not be buying the GX either. They all look cool though

 

The only one I could remotely justify in that lineup is the SR5 and at this time I’m not keen on paying extra to…

lose the:

• full-size spare (granted I could probably keep my current one and I would actually not mind a donut as a second spare)
• auto-dimming mirror
• flat-ish folding seats (the tumbling was really neat in my old RAV4 but pretty sure it won’t be a flat floor underneath)
• four gallons of fuel capacity
• who knows what else Toyota cut that won’t show up on the spec sheet, I know folks talked about bump stops, etc.

gain:

• 2.2” of width, however much in length

The improved fuel economy on paper is nice but if real-world MPG doesn’t match up then range could be be even worse - and the 5th-gen was already a step down in range from my previous vehicle.

TSS 3’s lane tracing will be handy but not critical.

I don’t mind having a manual seat personally because it’s faster and probably less to break but it’s still hella cost-cutting. The electric steering and parking brake are no issue to me.

I could absolutely live with the turbo-4 but I’ll give it more time (I know it’s already in service) but I would certainly miss the V6 sound - not that I’d be tied to it though.

 

Why are you worried about off boost power? It makes full torque at 1700 RPMs.

As far as not being smooth, have you driven one of the new tacos? Or, how do you know?

 

Inline 4s are inherently unbalanced so they typically require balance shafts.

Full torque at 1700 when the ECU feels like it. Not having that offboost power will make it seem laggy. People already think that the NA V6 is laggy.

 

I'm most likely a "no".
My plan is for my current truck to be my last truck although there is a remote outside chance that I could outlast it.
But I'm also kind of a never say never guy so we'll see.

 

I'm also a no unfortunately. I was excited when the 6th gen was announced but once I saw the prices of the 2024 Tacomas I knew the 6th gens would be expensive. So I bought a 2024 TRD PRO in Terra.

 

The NA V6 doesn't make peak torque until 4400 RPM's. And, if it's laggy, it's because of the ECU's response to throttle input, which probably won't be any different.

I've owned I4's, I6's, V6's and V8's. The only engines that I would consider particularly smooth have been I6' and V8's.

Edit: honestly, the I4 in my ex's TC was probably smoother than the 1GR.

Why are you so convinced that the engine won't make the advertised power? People who have towed with the 4th gen Taco have said that it's a huge improvement over the 1GR and the 2GR.

 

Of course it's engineered for turbo charging, it would have been impractical to adapt a NA 2.4 or 2.5 liter I4 gas engine to turbo.

The question in enthusiasts' minds is more likely, is it over engineered like the fan favorites of Toyota's older designs(22R, 5S, Uz, Vz,TR, 1GR, etc) where they can tolerate substantial use outside of the designed use and maintenance parameter with minimal fuss and still get to 300k without expensive repairs and rebuilds. Or is it engineered within a rigid set of parameters that guarantees minimal warranty repair costs, but not worry too much about overhaul costs(both parts and labor) at 150k and 250k that could cost as much as half to total of the car's residual worth.

 

I agree that we don't know that yet. But, that's my point. We don't know that yet.

Kind of odd to mention fan favorite/over-engineered Toyota motors and not even mention the 1JZ and 2JZ (both turbocharged).

 

There is of course no inherent reason tje T24A can't last 300k. But there has only been two models with that motor longer than 2 model years and that's with two lexus compact cross overs, known to be babied by their silver haired female owners and not used in commercial and industry.

Once we have a few years of hard use by Tacoma operators we will know more about their longevity, even then, with a lot more parts and wiring and rubber/plastic tubing, these new engines will age differently than simpler motors especially in hot and cold climates. We will see.

 

Sure, put those next to the Taco engine and see if you can see any similarities and why people might not equate the new turbos with the turbos of the old days.

Also, Toyota put the 2JZ in so few US market vehicles that no too many people have the experience of putting on lots of hard miles on them.

 

Negative Ghost Rider.

 

They are all inline engines.

Without actually tearing them all down, it's really hard to tell if there's actually any similarity.

But, if I'm going to have a turbocharged engine in a vehicle, I would prefer that it's an inline engine.

 

Negative

1. At current pricing, configuration and styling the value proposition isn't there for me.
2. My 5th Gen will still be on the road when the 6th Gen is no longer being sold new.

 

Yeah, so were the 3.5s in the Tundra, and how did that work out?

 

3.5 was a new motor.

The 2.4 has been used in previous vehicles.

 

So then soft throttle mapping plus off boost lag will require stacking pedal pretenders.

More than likely they masked it with the engine mounts like Honda does with their engines.

Give it some heat and I bet it will detune itself.