Toyota to the Rescue

Toyota CEO: “This New Engine Will Destroy The Entire EV Industry!” - YouTube

 

That's disappointing they are spending such time/resources on an idea like that. Maybe the new CEO will axe this idea.

 

Why? The solution is likely going to need to be multi-faceted.

My only question is whether it works in cold climates...but even if it does not, it would probably be a better solution than completely crippling the grid in California...

 

I would buy one of these over EV any day.

 

I want more options than just electric in the future. We need some competition to help keep prices of not only vehicles in check but also the fuel/energy source.

 

why would hydrogen not work in cold climates?

 

Infrastructure. They'll never get it going. They can't even get adequate infrastructure (yet) for EV and gov has been pushing that tech strong for a decade+.

And then there's this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJjKwSF9gT8&t=610s

 

the cool thing about hydrogen is you effectively have an instant refuel time. You can have a distributed generations system. Small hydrolyses everywhere so you're not stressing the electric grid. Longer range. Less weight because you don't have the huge battery. Less cost because you don't have the huge battery.

Don't need heavy metals to make battery packs so you don't need to destroy environments mining battery material for millions and eventually billions of cars. Our battery material is already mined by a lot of slave labor and will be a lot more in the future as we need more. This is likely very wide spread and no one is going to want to talk about it.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...ehind-smart-phone-and-electric-car-batteries/

Hydrogen explodes but they will easily enough make a fuel cell that will withstand any forces that could happen in an automobile crash. This will be safer than batteries.

The only real downside being a combustion motor which requires more maintenance and will have more wear than an electric motor. Ont he upside you get the sound and noise of a motor which many people enjoy.

There's really not much downside here. Arguably better than EV's.

 

Yeah but that's prototype technology. Technology will improve. They'll figure it out.

 

I agree there are definitely some upsides to it, but US and EU are already all-in on EV tech. The money has been earmarked and spent. The big auto corps have bought in as well (except Toyota). We're going EV no matter what.

 

I would emphatically disagree. We might end up going all EV. We might. Eventually. In a long time. Currently we don't have enough raw materials for batteries or the infrastructure. Just like hydrogen there's a very long way to go.

I would be very curious if there's studies about the money and resources required to go all EV or all hydrogen. I'd wager it would be easier to go hydrogen. We're only going EV because it's easier have a small number of cars as EV's because they can charge off the current electric grid. There need to be some drastic uplifts as well as extreme advances in battery tech to go the EV route. Not saying it won't happen but it's going to take a very long time and may cost a lot more and be a lot worse for the environment and people.

Edit: where hydrogen especially makes sense is you can have a distributed infrastructure powered by green energy constantly making and storing hydrogen, which can be stored forever. Where EV's come short on this is you can do a similar thing but you need to store the power in batteries which would be super expensive, require a lot more raw materials and have a loss of power due to efficiency when transferring electricity from storage batteries to car batteries.

it just makes more sense in every which way. Except the combustion engines don't last as long as EV motors and require more maintenance. EV's would be the clear winner is battery or energy tech greatly increased. Which might happen in our lifetimes. Might not.

 

My understanding is that some of the previous hydrogen vehicles had issues at colder temps. Maybe they've figured that out...

 

Hydrogen could be used for fuel cells to power EV. Toyota has already been selling had a hydrogen fuel cell electric for a while in some markets, california being one.

Not sure if that is what the video is about though. Didnt click it since the title screams AI generated clickbait lol.

 

Yeah, the Mirai was hydrogen to power electric motors, this is replacing gasoline with hydrogen in an internal combustion engine instead.

 

Oh ok. Then that title seems a bit dramatic They’ve been doing stuff like this for years with natural gas, which is the same idea, and a lot more convenient. The pollution aspect between natural gas and hydrogen is probably a wash if you take into account the energy required to produce/package hydrogen.

Hydrogen for electrical via fuel cells makes more sense than burning it straight. That way you can take advantage of the electrical motors simplicity and regen braking efficiencies.

 

Not to go all tin foil hat here, but anyone paying attention to the WEF knows they really don't want us driving it all, in anything!
Mobility is a form of freedom.
They No Likey...!
That is why hydrogen doesn't seem to be going anywhere even though it's an awesome source of energy!
There, now that that's been said y'all have a blessed day.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer's_water_fuel_cell

 

I think that might depend on the efficiency of both systems and how much hydrogen per mile each requires. I don't know what the power generation efficiency is from a fuel cell.

 

There was this guy Rudolph Diesel that made an engine that ran off hemp oil about a hundred ten years ago. Then he fell into the English channel and died, while Ford, gasoline, and the internal combustion engine took off...

 

They need a movie with Ford and Edison just fucking murdering people and stealing shit and of course getting away with it.

 

We seem to be moving backwards with more and more widespread blackouts the further we push into “green” territory. Seems we need to be going the exact opposite direction if all the vehicles are gonna be running on electricity lol. Pass the popcorn.

 

Uhhhh, do you mean Mr. Diesel, as in the diesel internal combustion engine? The one that powers nearly all forms of heavy equipment, cars, semi trucks, ships, etc? Those engines can be made or designed to burn just about any kind of oil you want…hemp oil, french fry oil, fuel oil, heavy oil, diesel, jet fuel, etc.

So, I’m not sure where the conspiracy theory is. Yeah, wiki says he fell off a boat. It’s always mysterious when someone falls off a boat. But even if somebody put a hit on him, his ideas were not suppressed.

Also, let’s be grateful. The hemp-oil-hand-moisturizer industrial complex would probably not exist today if hemp oil was the primary fuel used for diesels.

 

Just having some fun

 

I like H but there are two drawbacks of hydrogen that I know of along with one controversial solution.
Storage volume requires pretty large tanks and production cost.
I watched an interesting documentary that reduces the production cost greatly. The wasted energy in the steam that is a byproduct of a nuclear power plant can be used in the production of hydrogen, thus reducing a lot of the production cost.
I think the major hidden advantage of H is it can be trucked to its point of usage just like gasoline is now. No need to expand/upgrade the grid. It would enable refueling way off the beaten path which can be a problem with EVs.

 

How about voting politicians into office that support the oil industry and fossil fuels.?
Remember what oxygen is to the animal kingdom- carbon dioxide is to the plant kingdom. It is necessary for all life on this planet.
Paleontologists believe atmospheric carbon dioxide levels were much higher than present during the ages of dinosaurs and corresponding giant plants. Seems life prospered with high carbon dioxide.
Of course there is the theory that labeling carbon dioxide a dangerous polutant is really about destroying Western World economies so no Country can defend itself against the One World Government take over.

 

I love every bit of everything you typed. This is brilliant. I hope you become the supreme ruler one day.

 

Wow! Common sense. Wholeheartedly agree. Elections have consequences. Decline is a choice.