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OEM LED headlights conversion adapters for 14-20 halogen 4Runners!

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by mynameistory, May 1, 2022.

  1. Mar 3, 2023 at 11:22 PM
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    JETSPD1477

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    the other guy is probably me. i scored a pristine set of takeoff ‘22 headlights late in January and ordered the PnP harness a couple days later. OEM behavior better filled the gap between low beam and aux lighting for me.

    install is on the back burner for now. not so much for weather (SoCal) but for family things, little league, etc. i will update how it goes.
     
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  2. Mar 8, 2023 at 11:55 AM
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    I am having such a hard time understanding these options!
    Not sure why but my brain seems to melt about half way through...

    I just picked up a 2018 limited
    Sourced a set of 2022s

    Looks like the 'ideal option' is what I want though curious if that looses DRLs

    Otherwise will the 'ideal option' serve as a simple plug and play once the swap is complete?
     
  3. Mar 8, 2023 at 1:27 PM
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    All current listings are fully plug and play. I removed the one non-plug-and-play option as once the P&P designs were vetted it seemed to be the least desirable option.

    @alwaysentropy you first need to confirm that the 2022 headlights have 3 terminals pinned. Then you just decide if you want quad high beams or 2022 behavior (LED high beam only, w 9005 for DRL use only).

    The only built-in difference that you can't solve for is how the DRL is done, on 2018 I believe it's PWM dimmed on the + side while on 2022's the bulbs are wired in series.

    Hence I have not yet solved for 2022 4Runners who want quad high beams, it's a bit challenging.

    As to asking you to post here, it's b/c I am not a 4Runner expert, I don't even own one or have access to one for testing. So, if I make a false statement, others can correct me and you don't get screwed over by my ignorance. I trust the crew here to steer you and I towards the best options and vet out any mistakes or false assumptions.
     
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  4. Mar 11, 2023 at 8:37 AM
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    Hi - in theory, you can chose one of two options:
    1. Plug And Play LED High Beam Only - put in the lights, plug it in, the DRLs function as normal, LED low beams, LED high beams. The is harness I bought, but I haven't found lights yet to test it. So until me or someone else tests this, it's what should happen but unverified.
    2. Plug And Play Quat High Beams - put in the lights, plug it in, the DRLs function as normal, LED low beams, both LED high beams and Halogen high beams come on at the same time. Result = more light when you hit the high beams, tho it's not clear if it is legal, but no one will probably ever notice.
    Make sense?

    If someone sees a pair of dual-LED for sale DM me!

     
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  5. Mar 11, 2023 at 8:43 AM
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    YES! Thank you! I assumed DRL was lost on the quad beam so thank you for the break down.
    I'm curious why you DIDNT want the quad lighting... legality?
    I'll pick a harness up this weekend. Was lucky to find a 2022 set locally! after getting scammed on the other forum :(
     
  6. Mar 11, 2023 at 9:22 AM
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    Great. Report back how it goes.

    I have 50” of light bars in my grille for when I need light, and I may be taking the vehicle to Canada for a while where it will be inspected for “compliance” at the border, so I figure having it behave as designed might save me some hassle.
     
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  7. Mar 13, 2023 at 5:40 PM
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    Where do I attach the “box” that’s part of the harness to the 4Runner?
     
  8. Mar 13, 2023 at 7:11 PM
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  9. Mar 13, 2023 at 7:44 PM
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    I don't think there's a wrong attachment point. If it reaches the lights and seems sturdy (and won't interfere with reinstalling the headlight or bumper), go for it. Best to do it with the bumper off, everything's a lot easier that way.
     
  10. Mar 29, 2023 at 11:15 PM
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    i haven’t mounted the lights but felt compelled to test the lights and fbc led high beam harness today.

    gladly the headlights work. i didn’t test them when purchased but the seller is trust worthy.

    as expected the functional modes facilitated by the harness work. low beam, DRL, and shutters (high beam) tested ok. great quality harness and saves me from the pain of splicing in a relay. worth every penny.

    one small functional note for those who are considering the led high beam harness. drls will turn off when flash to pass is activated since the 9005 bulb is isolated to pwm through 87a. it’s an amusing behavior but some may be better suited with the quad high beam harness if they don’t want this behavior.
     
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  11. Apr 25, 2023 at 7:17 AM
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    So I have a really dumb question...if I actually buy new 2021 headlights from toyota (led low/halogen high) and the fbc harness no shutter - do I need to purchase anything else from toyota (ie dust cover or something like that) or am I able to use everything else from my 2020 headlights (except purchase new led bulbs for low)? I may be overthinking everything, just getting super confused, sorry in advance for ignorance.
     
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  12. Apr 25, 2023 at 7:23 AM
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    LED emitters are part of the assembly for low beams, no bulbs there.

    The no shutter harness isn’t as nice as the quad high beam option if your headlights are pinned for a shutter. No good reason not to use the led projector for high beam duty that I can think of. Best to buy the headlights first, though, so you can be sure you have 3 terminals in the connector vs 2.
     
  13. Apr 25, 2023 at 7:44 AM
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    Well then it really was a dumb question. Thanks!!!
     
  14. Apr 25, 2023 at 7:56 AM
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    The only other thing I can think of is that the headlights may not ship with the install brackets. I wish I had taken a picture, but basically there's a injection-molded plastic bracket that attaches to each headlight before it can be installed on the truck. I had to pull it off my old halogen assemblies and swap it onto my new LED ones, because the seller had done the same thing when they got their aftermarket assemblies. You have them on your truck now, so no need to order.

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. Apr 25, 2023 at 9:10 AM
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    Thanks!! I appreciate the feedback and guidance!
     
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  16. Apr 26, 2023 at 1:50 PM
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    Mine came with everything needed. I just took out the old ones, plugged in the harness and bolted up the new ones. I went with the LED low and halogen high as well. I just put in the really good halogen bulbs (pretty sure I posted the tech specs further back) and am super happy with the results.
     
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    Any chance you guys would be willing to sell a harness to a Canadian?
    I have a 2017 Limited and just ordered 2022 OEM headlights for it.
    Tried to order from and it wouldn’t accept my address.
     
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    Where are you located? I head up to Canada a few times a year, so if the answer is no maybe I can help.
     
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    Thanks man, really appreciate the offer but I already got help from a kind soul.
    Should be able to upgrade the headlights in a week or two :)
     
  20. May 9, 2023 at 9:25 AM
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    Lots…
    Forgive my ignorance, re-read this thread three times.

    I have a 2021 ORP. What difference is there with this upgrade? Are the 2022+ headlights that much different?

    Best,
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  21. May 9, 2023 at 11:33 AM
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    the big difference is the high beams in your case. your truck uses the halogen bulbs for DRL and highbeams. 22+ DRL uses the halogens while high beams are the LEDs.

    I'm confident that the low beam performance between the generations is similar if not the same, though I can't speak on the high beam performance.
     
  22. May 9, 2023 at 12:17 PM
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    crashnburn80 on TW says the hybrid version is the best because using HIR bulbs for the highbeams out perform the bi-LED highbeams.
     
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    This is what I did. I’m really impressed with the halogen HIR bulbs.
     
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    Oh yeah, since I just got a few of these (for my '18 Odyssey) I thought I'd share this post on TW:

    I believe they tested out better than Toshiba HIR?

    Link to test results for Korean made Sylvania 9011.

    Yep, 7% brighter than Toshiba and $20 vs roughly double the price from the guy I get my Toshiba's from so I ordered a few for me.
     
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  25. May 16, 2023 at 7:18 PM
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    Good find. Much better than the $50 I paid for mine.
     
  26. May 16, 2023 at 9:21 PM
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    Just checking..
    Do we have any luck for 2021 and newer bi-led headlight owners to have a wire harness to power the reflector bulb with highbeams?

    Even just one 12v power with highbeam is enough. Would be super awesome not having to remove the bumper and headlight housing.:amen:
     
  27. May 17, 2023 at 11:35 AM
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    I've had a few discussions with my crew on this topic. The hard part is that I don't see how to do things with one relay, I think two are needed and if they don't switch at the exact same instant I think the fuse would blow. The closest design I can think of is a high/low seat heat system where it switches from parallel (high) to series (low) wiring with the switch. But that is one module which has full control of all signals vs trying to just hijack the 9005 bulbs when high beams are on.

    What would I do if I owned a 2021 T4R? Re-route DRL to some other spot (pod backlight or SSC1 or switchback in the turn or some other setup?) and use the 9005 as a 9011 for high beam only. Or, alternatively, completely take over the entire DRL output and figure out how to dim +12v via PWM that can handle DRL current. The latter is hard, the DD dimmers are not quite capable of the current.
     
  28. May 17, 2023 at 11:47 AM
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    Hi David,
    As of now I use the 9005s with a simple lightbar relay harness using a separate switch on dash. I have no clue how to get a highbeam trigger wire. I'm scared to mess with the existing wires come to the headlight housing. :(:(
    Wish there is an easy solution for scary amateurs like my self.

    upload_2023-5-17_12-43-24.jpg
     
  29. May 17, 2023 at 12:08 PM
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    So you've detached the OEM 9005 connectors and let them dangle or taped them off? Hence no DRL at all?

    High beam trigger is straightforward, it's the yellow lead in this picture, not sure what color the OEM wire is.

    IMG_0806.jpg
     
  30. May 17, 2023 at 12:14 PM
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    Yes sir. DRL wire is removed. I'm using grill lights for that in case a cop stop me. LoL

    I tried to look in the stock wire but it seems pretty hidden. Will see if I get any luck.
     

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