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Trans questions on a 2005 Sport

Discussion in '4th Gen 4Runners (2003-2009)' started by cjk04nc, Feb 23, 2021.

  1. Feb 23, 2021 at 1:16 PM
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    I bought this 2005 4Runner Sport V8 with 255k on the clock to use as a dog hauler. I found out the hard way what all was involved to replace a leaky water pump at 265k. I'm now at 272k and noticed when I have to make a sudden stop, the truck goes into what I can only describe as neutral. The RPMs pick up like it's in neutral for about a half a second and then BAM, drive. I was going to replace the filter and fluid but snapped off the first pan bolt I touched. I settled for making sure the fluid was full. So, first, what would cause the trans to throw itself into neutral at a sudden stop? Drive-ability otherwise is fine. And second, how do you get these tiny steel screws out of an aluminum housing without further damage? These screws are tiny and rusty!!
     
  2. Mar 2, 2021 at 10:03 AM
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    How did you verify the fluid was full? Without further diagnosis it's hard to say what is causing the trans issue but it could be low on fluid or fluid needs to be changed. Most people say the filter doesn't need to be changed on these, its a metal mesh screen & not a fiber filter like many other transmissions & most report its clean when they drop the pan. I would verify the fluid level is correct & maybe drain an oz or 2 to see what the fluid looks like, if its never been changed you are long past the recommended interval. For now, I would leave the pan alone if its not leaking & check the easy things first. Also check for any trouble codes that would indicate a malfunction in the trans.
     
  3. Mar 2, 2021 at 10:40 AM
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    there are two bolts in the bottom of the pan. one is the drain. the other is the overflow tube. I drained out what I could. took the overflow bolt out and re-filled thru the large plug on the side of the trans until the fluid started coming out. I put the bolt and the plug back in and started it up. got it up to temp and took the overflow bolt back out to verify the level. it what the book said. I don't have one of those intelligent testers but my scan tool does not pick up any codes.

    Fluid Check.jpg
     
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    OK. Just wanted to be sure you did it the right way. What did the fluid look like, Dark brown or burnt smelling? If you weren't aware, toyota says to change the trans fluid at 100k miles, or 60k if towed or abused in any way. Do you have any record of it being changed in the past? If not, I would have do an exchange or at least a pan drain & fill asap, not saying that will fix the issue but it way past time to do it.
     
  5. Mar 2, 2021 at 10:52 AM
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    No previous records and it didn't smell burnt. it had a "regular" brownish tint to it. I didn't want to do a complete flush all at once not knowing if it had been serviced in the past. I plan on draining and refilling again soon to see if helps at all.
     
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    I had the Toyota dealer change mine at 105,000 miles. Now at 150,000 so a 6 quart D/F is probably right about now. 4runner tranny holds 12 quarts total, so it should hold up better than other brands.

    The 6 quarts of T-IV was on the Toyota dealer receipt.

    BTW Toy Yoda; I never touched the transmission in the 2005 4runner. You need to brush up on your reading skills! I bring it to the Toyota dealer. They changed 6 quarts on their receipt. A 4runner like mine holds 12 quarts from the factory.

    My 4runner came with T-IV so that is what we use when we maintain. The Toyota dealer's receipt said they changed 6 quarts (1/2) of the transmission fluid when the 4runner had 105,000 miles.

    I like the fact that the Toyota dealer changed (D/F) 6 quarts rather than 3 quarts (as Toy Yota below) recommends.

    THIS IS WHAT THE INTERNET SAYS:
    How long do transmissions last with oil?
    Most any transmission will last at least 200,000 with the oil that came from the factory. Just leave it alone and drive it. If you've gone close to 100,000 or more and change it at this point you'll do more damage than good. Most transmissions with new oil at that point die shortly after.

    Compared to a Ford:How Long Do Toyota 4Runner Last? (Solved & Explained!) – motorandwheels.com

    In an iSeeCars ranking of cars likely to reach 300,000 miles, the Toyota 4Runner came in sixth position.
     
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  7. Mar 3, 2021 at 7:02 AM
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    These transmissions don't take 6 qts for a pan drain & fill, its about 3-3.5qts & most other brands of full size SUV/trucks take 12-13 qts of fluid, the amount of fluid is unrelated to how the trans will hold up. You said you already checked the level & filled the fluid so you obviously know how to do it yourself. You can do a few pan drain & fills or do a full exchange using the trans pump to pump out ~2qts at a time then refilling that same amount via a funnel & hose into the fill hole on the side of the trans, do that 5-6 times & you have almost all new fluid in the transmission.

    What kind of fluid did you use in your 2005 4runner captnsolo?
     
  8. Mar 8, 2021 at 7:55 AM
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    Why do I need to brush up on reading skills? I never said YOU touched the transmission or made any comment related to that, I asked what type of fluid you used.

    FYI: 2005 4runners dont use T-IV, they are sealed & call for WS fluid. It is a fact a drain & fill from a 4th gen 4runner is roughly 3.5qts, not 6. Your dealer charged you for more fluid than needed for 1 drain & fill or they did more than that & they used the wrong type of fluid.

    That internet quote is hilariously wrong... millions of people do trans fluid changes after 100k miles & cause no harm nor do the transmissions "die shortly after." Toyota & many other brands recommend a complete trans fluid change at 100k miles or sooner if towed or abused. But hey, what does toyota know about their own vehicles compared to your google searches??
     
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  9. Mar 9, 2021 at 8:38 AM
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    Yoda, what I found even more funny, or unbelievable, is they stated that; "4runner owners said their transmissions can last between 100K to 120K miles. These have some of the best trannies ever built. That whole article is nothing more than click bait, AFAIC.
     
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    Yep total click bait & total BS... but as usual thats what the captn relies on for his info, surprised he didnt post a link to a scotty kilmer vid! LOL!
     
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    Toy yoda, you still can't read English and comprehend

    I said the dealer did my tranny fluid exchange at 105,000 miles and he used 6 quarts (not your recommended 3.3 quarts), and it is on dealer's receipt T-IV (which came in my 2005), not WS as you say.

    So you know more than a Toyota dealer in business 60 years? yeah right!

    You two are certified AHs.
     
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  12. Mar 12, 2021 at 7:23 AM
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    You do realize that it wouldn't matter if the dealer had been there for 1000 years if the guy working on your car just started this week, right? Or maybe the dealer charges for 6 qts of fluid because "that's what we've always done". I've worked in dealership service depts and both of those are feasible scenarios.
     
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    Gee, sorry if asking what fluid YOU used was so hard to understand... didn't realize I had to specify what fluid your DEALER used, its your 4 runner so I asked what fluid you used.

    Still doesn't change the FACT that a 2005 4runner has a sealed trans & toyota/aisin says to use WS fluid, NOT T-IV. So does you're dealer know better than toyota/aisin?

    Here's any idea, post a pic of your engine bay or gear shifter so everyone here can tell you what kind of trans you have & what fluid came with it. We will wait.

    & It's not MY recommendation, its how much fluid these trans have in them for a drain & fill, I've done this numerous times & there are all kinds of vids on youtube & other foorums that prove its about 3.2-3.5qts from a d&f. You have clearly never done a pan d/f yourself, you have to pay a dealership to do it, so you should probably not comment on things you have no clue about.

    Read your owners manual, it tells you what trans fluid to use & its WS, & find another dealer/mechanic because the one you use is as clueless as you if they used T-IV in a WS trans!
     
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    My 2005 4runner has been using Toyota brand T-IV for 15 years without issues and over 150,000 miles. Still shifts like "new".

    You read your owners manual. I don't need advice - thanks.

    This company told me "today" WS and T-IV are practically the same except for friction modifiers. Call them and ask, if you don't believe me.
    Toyota Transmission Repair | Transmission Rebuild and Repair Shop (precisiontransmissioninc.com)

    You need to worry about your own 4runner - if you even own one.

    Our Toyota dealer used 6 quarts of T-IV when they did a drain and fill on my 4runner 5 years ago at 105,000 miles. I didn't tell them what to do.

    Some people use Valvoline in their Toyota transmissions. I guess it's your preference. MaxLife™ Multi-Vehicle ATF : Product Catalog - Valvoline™

    Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS | Bob Is The Oil Guy

    Yoda, you are living a life of unnecessary paranoia!
     
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    So you dont need advice from toyota on what trans fluid your toyota 4runner uses? I did read the owners manual & it clearly says to use WS fluid only, would you like me to link that for you or can you read it on your own? 2005 4runners did NOT come with T-IV, where did you come up with that ridiculous idea?

    You said the same nonsense over on the T4R forums & every single person there told you the same thing, but you still insist a 2005 uses & comes from the factory with T-IV. LOL! Funny how you got BANNED at that forum! Wonder why???
     
  16. Mar 14, 2021 at 5:25 AM
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    The Toyota dealer used T-IV in my 4runner. Can't you read? Same dealer sold me the car new.

    I still have their receipt saying so!

    "Beat it, punk"!

    The transmission in my 2005 4runner still shifts perfectly after 15 years (150,000 miles) on T-IV.

    You punks need to beat it and shut up. You are not the Toyota dealers. You are fools.
     
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