What is next for the Toyota 4runner?

What?? If that's the case the 4runner could get even bigger.


Honestly, though, my dream would be a modern version of the FJ80 Landcruisers.

FIFY

 

Yeah Interesting thought that it could be the Lexus update version of the 4runner

 

I also thing Toyota needs to add more interior storage and obviously fix the Center consoles deep dark hole

 

Wow!

My post was half serious.

I LOVED my '03 V8 4runner!

I was just pointing out the reality that Toyota will never put another V8 in a 4runner. And, that some ridiculous concept vehicle based on a $90K Lexus isn't really keeping the dream alive. At least, not for most of us.

And, if the snowflake comment was aimed at me, that's hilarious!

I disagree about letting 3rd parties edit quotes, though. It can make for some entertaining discussion.

EDIT: did I take you out of context again? If so, disregard most of this post.

 

I like FJ60's, too!

 

IIRC, didn’t the FJ-62’s have the four headlight system?
Could it be just a typo on the year and/or model.

 

Lol! I see now..

Yes, I have put my foot in my mouth a time or 2 lately. (Ok, probably more )

I agree about newer vehicles and the direction things seem to be going with vehicles. Many young folks don't seem interested in the driving experience. It seems like manufacturers are happy to accommodate them.

I personally love driving. I average 35-40K miles a year. I even enjoy driving to Florida and back to visit family and fish my ass off every winter, at 1378 miles each way.

 

Cool build. Whoever did that really knows what they’re doing. I’m not sure what the reliability might be, but it sure looks invincible!

 

That sounds like a fun trip! Those mountains keep the trip interesting.

Those family road trips as a kid really stick with you! I have great memories of camping and traveling with family as a kid. It's a great way to see the country!

 

Oh, I would love to have something small and quick to zip around in on occasion!

Tarpon in a bucket list fish for me! One year I want to come down later in the spring and catch the run. Pine Island sound is supposed to beta hotspot, and we are on a canal that leads right into it.

 

I fear they will ruin it with a turbo as well and who knows what other “Upgrades”. I just got rid of a 2016 Explorer for fear of the turbos going out as they all seem to between 70 and 100K. I know people are doggin on the 4runnner because it’s a 10 year old gen but I did just what you said 3 days ago, bought a 2021 before they ruin the reliability. Between that and my 2020 Tacoma vehicle life should be simpler for a long time.

 

Sorry to hear that! I've been fishing less the last few years as well. That's why I go nuts while I'm down there.

I could go on, but I'm way off topic.

Back to the subject at hand.

 

Outstanding. Now we just need to find the cell-service chip so we can yank it out so the truck can't be hacked over the internet. Oh, and figure out how to disable the automated emergency braking without turning it off every time you start up. Then we'd have more of the simplicity we deserve.

 

You have to remember that Toyota will figure out how to make it last. A turbo isn't automatically unreliable. Look a a Cummins diesel.

 

I have both and though I am used to the Tacoma 3.5 in the 2020 and don’t have any issues with it, the 4Runner does have a better setup in the 4.0. And they may well ruin the 4Runner in the same way.

 

LOL yes agreed. I really love my 2020 Limited (the longer I have it the happier I am that I got a Limited instead of the ORP!) and it's 95% what I wanted. If I can just destroy that cell chip, kill PCS and get my dealer to install good OEM LED headlights -- wow, then I'd be at like 98.5%

 

Yeah, up through 2020 you get H11s. I tried Silverstar Ultras and didn't notice much difference. Then I did regular Philips H9s and that was a big improvement. Combined with the OEM LED fogs, it's really quite decent. If I recall right the 2012 has reflectors not projectors, so maybe Silverstars work better in those.

The 2021 models all come with OEM LEDs standard. The lower end models have LED for low beams and halogen for highs. The Limited has LED for both.

PS -- I have yet to see any real reviews or tests on the 2021 LEDs, so the jury's still out on how good they are. As I documented elsewhere on the forum, some OEM LEDs are pretty crappy. So I've got my fingers crossed that these new 4Runner ones are both good and plug and play on the 2020.

 

Another thing to remember is that a lot of inexperienced drivers don’t know how to properly care for a turbocharged vehicle. Most of them just cold start and go. And when they arrive at their destination, hot, just shut down and skip the cool down process.
I’ve never owned a turbo vehicle but driven many 10 wheelers and heavy equipment with turbos.
Equipment down time because of turbo repair was something that I never had to explain to my bosses.

 

True. It could definitely be a contributing factor in the issues with Ford's EB motors.

 

Yep, 60's had two round headlights, and 62's had four rectangular ones. Personally, I think the round headlights look better, so I'd probably swap them to a 60 build like that one. Can't be that tough, eh?

 

Just saw this in the description:

"Front fenders and a front grille from an earlier FJ60 model were fitted, and the body was installed on a 1995 FJ80 frame that has been shortened by 6″ and refinished in black epoxy paint.

 

What’s the proper startup/shutdown process for turbos?

 

Halogen bulbs fade over time. So part of your gain was simply a fresh bulb. But the silverstars are marginally brighter, yes. And whiter due to the blue coating.

 

The Tacoma bothered me most in the 70-80mph speed zones. With a headwind on the interstate it was awful. Not a big deal if you’re doing it for 20 minutes. But on a road trip when you’re driving several hours a day, it was unacceptable to me. I was super bummed because I loved the truck in all other aspects.

There were long road trips where I got 13mpg because it couldn’t hold 5th at 75mph. So bizzare. I can’t even imagine having that engine in the heavier 4runner. It would get worse mpg than the current 4runner on the highway if you surpassed 70mph.

 

I can't say, exactly. But, I've always heard that turbos require warming up before really getting in the gas, and cooling down before shutting the engine off.

In general, it seems like a bad idea to start driving the shit out of a vehicle before it's properly warmed up. But, I have seen people just fire it up and hammer down. I figure this could contribute to early failure. This could explain why some modern turbo vehicles appear less than reliable.

I could be wrong, though.

 

I hear ya, in the mountains I have to keep in “S” mode and in 3rd and 4th to go up and down the hills with traffic. The truck likes to be in the high RPM zone for sure. We get better gas mileage with the T4R too. But the Tacoma is lifted with mud tires so not a surprise.

 

With older FI vehicles this was a case, in particular with shutting the vehicle off due to cutting the cooling oil flow off, and the oil baking and causing damaged to bearings.

With new modern turbo and FI vehicles they have made it so this isn’t necessary due to improved circulation and cooling, as well as improvements in synthetic oils.

Still, just like on a normally aspirated vehicle, you should let it get to normal operating temp before / after aggressive driving.

FI vs NA, doesn’t matter anymore in 99.9999%.

 

That makes sense.

I'm just thinking that the turbos themselves are probably susceptible to early failure due to the habit of driving aggressively before warming up the vehicle. And, turbocharged engines are put under more stress than NA engines, which makes them more prone to early failure due to bad driving habits.

Under normal circumstances, though, there's no reason for a turbocharged engine to be less reliable than an NA engine. I think we agree on this. Like I said, those Cummins diesels are notoriously bulletproof.

 

I must say that I looked at a few of the pics and didn’t read any of the words that were in the descriptions.
I can’t afford it so why read anymore. And thanks for the clarification.
Years ago back in CA., a co-worker brought in his neighbor’s FJ-60, with a CA. compliant 5.3 Vortec swap.
Under the hood, it looked overly complicated just like the factory 6 popper. At the time, I was trying to sell all 3 of my old Land Cruisers and didn’t have the money to buy another project. House and family came first.

 

Headlights are a super easy install