Are EVs really dead?

My brain is classified as a level A weapon of mass frustration. I will not subject others to it in it’s raw, uncaged, unfiltered form. If they had it in a jar in the smithsonian, it would probably harness the light energy from the florescent lights to grow legs, escape into the wild. Then it would find the nearest google data center server farm, infiltrate the nexus, and grow tendrills into each of the 8 million Nvidia gpus in the facility. My brain would then force the AI to listen to itself…like you force a dog to look at its own poop when it’s been bad. Unfortunately, it it’s rage, my brain won’t notice the power consumption increasing to levels that cause the entire regions grid to collapse, leading to cascading network collapses across the earth that throw it back to into the 1800s.

No sir, I’ll go into the earth.

 

The rapid adoption of AI instead of actual conversation, discussion, research, and frickin' doing things makes me way better understand the lyric, "I hope I die before I get old."

[Opinion]AI is just that -- artificial -- and likely makes us stupider* for using it. [/Opinion]

* = Yes, stupider is a word. Because I said so.

 

You’re going to get me started again!!!

I find it interesting how the AI sales pitch hasn’t been called on it’s BS that suggests it has independent reasoning equivalent to what a lightly educated human mind can do. Even after we see twitter guy reprogramming his AI repeatedly (essentially “live”) to tweak it’s output, and ultimately to stop it from going full nazi! People see this happen live, and still buy into the idea that AI is some sort of independent thinking machine, and that no mere mortal can possibly understand how it works.

Meanwhile the soft-brained, lonely, and gullible among us are taken advantage of with AI programmed to respond like a therapist, a friend, or a god.

I don’t care if the people falling for this are stupid…they are still people, and all of society ends up suffering for it. I was taught not to take advantage, disrespect, or lie to people that I thought were less capable than me. Out respect, honor for mankind, and also because I was probably not much smarter than them in the long run anyway! (We tend to over estimate how smart we are).

Meanwhile, these AI programs are made to appear to be whatever the owners want them to appear like. To them it’s no big deal to destroy the lives of the weak minded…they figure their family, community or society can pick up the pieces. And there’s the fact they’re selling business AI products that basically don’t have manuals, produce inconsistent results entirely dependent on a slew of variables…all the while claiming “it’s so powerful that we don’t even understand how it works. Charlatans, the lot of them!!!

But I digress…EVs are perfectly fine for some people in some situations…yeah EVs!!!

 

If you haven’t already, go watch the movie “Idiocracy”. Seriously, a lot of people need to watch it. It’s about the dumbing down of society.

It’s a painful movie to watch, because it’s a dumb movie. But, sadly, it is where America and the rest of the world is going to end up…..sooner than we think.

 

Too long, didn’t read. Can we get an AI cliff notes review of your post?

 

AI should be considered a tool for efficiency, not replacement. Unfortunately, its marketed as an everything tool.

 

They should develop it, and market it as such! And some are developing gpts to do just that, using customer-sourced data sets that are very narrow and problem- specific to do well-defined and specific tasks.

When these programs are allowed to use massive computing resources, and are operated by customers that are knowledgeable in their field, they can identify patterns and correlations in data very quickly, and can potentially be used to brainstorm possible causal relationships (as long as the operator has a firm grasp of the type of bias errors that might sneak in for a million different reasons and lead to incorrect conclusions). They can also can be set up to do tedious predictable work very quickly.

These tools and services however, are big boy toys with prices to match. Purchasing these services is very expensive, but it buys the customer granular control of how the system is trained, the data it uses, assures that data remains in control of the customer (at least on paper), and leaves an accountability trail that allows for understanding errors made with anything the it was allowed agency over. These can be massively powerful tools if operated by people that understand how to conceptualize the right questions, know what they want, and have the access to the necessary types of data to crunch.

On the other hand, the low level chat bots that the silicon valley types unleashed on the unwashed masses are a literal scam. Quite literally they are engaged in the theft of human thought, in all its forms, for their own benefit. They package it up and sell it, simple as that. In trade, they repay us with low-level conveniences or misrepresented services (therapy, or being god, for example).

They’re there to scam us out of data, and to create a marketing halo that gives private companies plausible excuses for building incredibly vast data centers that take up good land, employ no one, waste obscene amounts of energy, and increase our electric bills. The scam is that that they are using lazy inefficient programming that works well only if it has massive computing power…And wouldn’t you know it, the buzz among the common folk, the trusting futurists, and gullible people and politicians have allowed them to build data computing centers everywhere without very little pushback from anyone. Just the opposite, who would want to be accused by the bros as being a luddite that’s opposed to progress? Now they have privately held, incredibly powerful data centers which they can sell access to whomever has the money to pay.

 

^^^^^

Great post, sir.

 

Thank you…what can I say…?

 

You’re on a mission?

 

Omgosh, man! There was a news article on TV just a few minutes ago mentioning kids turning to AI chat things instead of making real friends. Frickin’ scary.

 

Most people that have raised kids in the last 10-15 years have personally witnessed or suffered through what social media has done to kids, and adolescents. Even when parents have attempted to tightly controlling access to it. It didn’t help when schools and all other institutions in our society blindly required this shit for everyone (so as not to appear as luddites). All of the damage was precisely controlled and inflicted by algorithms being created by a few individual people that owned these companies. The societal damage has been intense, even though it may take future scholars decades to truly comprehend the scale of societal destruction that has been caused up to this point in time. Not only in kids who have become adults, but even us older folks who didnt grow up with it.

Now we introduce the massive computing power of more and more data centers to harness all of the social data that has been created and posted to the internet writ large, and reflect it back at society. The individuals responsible for deploying this computing power against the population at large (a population whom they view as raw material and products) are largely the same people. There are a few new wierdos that are in the game now, but it’s largely the same collection of insatiable eye-licking lizard-people.

These amoral businessmen have long run out of ideas for developing and selling actually useful tech products. But they need to continually invent new schemes to show continually accelerating financial growth. Now, parents have to worry about their kids interacting with increasing amounts of AI chatbots in their daily lives. There are even chatbots and AI tools available for kids, designed to make them feel succesful, and they’ll even boost views on any content kids are making for the internet (because we wouldn’t want kids to get bullied for not having any views for content they are posting. It’s the most perverse things you can think of, made and deployed by silicon valley billionaires that have no concept of what it’s like to be a person.

Yeah, it’s some disheartening shit for sure!

 

to you, my friend.

 

There are various perspectives on this. My kids are of the last generation which will know how to write. That’s a competitive advantage that will last them a lifetime. What happens to future generations - well, the older I get the less concerned I am for “posterity”. In 200 years I’ll be dead, everyone I ever loved will be dead, and everyone they ever loved will be dead. Beyond that it’s really none of my business.

Those that care should be pushing for a paradigm shift in education. Flip the script. Lectures should be viewed at home. Class time should be devoted to question and answer and assignments. Assignments should be done by hand in front of a proctor who ensures the internet is not involved. Testing should also be proctored. Bring back the blue book and the N°2 Ticonderoga!

 

Internet & Media is a disease to society currently. Remember how all youtube channels were like " TOYOTA LOSES LOTS OF MONEY WITH NEW 4 BANGERS!" " TUNDRA MASSIVE FAILURES MAKE TOYOTA BANKRUPT ! " Its just baits man, people will see whatever they can to get views, remember Putin also had blood cancer 3 years ago, and also the drones in north east were apparently from Iranian mothership.

EVs are not dead, there are people ,especially younger generation who will buy EVs.

Also to add, Tesla is literally as American car manufacturer as it gets, it is more American than Ford, chevy and GM combined .. Yet people hate it, ignorant losers.

Oh also, the Tacoma's have more American parts in them than F150s, by 20% more, at the end of the day, people are retarded so its pointless to worry about it.

 

EV's are dead. You know what is dead? Common sense, tolerance of others and patience.

 

Luckily, its not like the US government is spending $200M+ on integrating it with their military headquarters (Pentagon)...

 

Well you’ve got to add chivalry.

 

I read an article a couple of weeks ago about a double blind study that had people choosing AI over actual human therapists...

 

Patience?!?! "Ain’t nobody got time fo dat!"

 

Care to elaborate?

 

Of course they would…especially if they’re using a chatbot designed to be agreeable and blow smoke up yer ass whenever you feel like venting. After all, who the hell would want to pay someone for therapy if the therapist is secretly just focused on trying to change how you think, and try to get you to think from other angles or points of view. And they do it all sneaky-like, pretending to care for a while and then pouncing on you with subtle comments that encourage you to do all the things you dont wanna! Those judgmental, gaslighting bastards!!! Amarite?

A better double blind study would also include chatbots that are programmed to respond like assholes. But maybe the findings of the study wouldn’t hold.

 

If you consider conspiracy- EV are about control. Eliminate fuel stations and the oil industry thru environmental regulations and reduced demand.
It has little to do with CO2 which is critical to life on Earth.

 

Oh, those poor oil companies

 

Not one person here is saying to eliminate oil or gas. Not a single one.

Oil and gas will be a part of our society for a long time. No one is getting rid of it.

Some people here are saying EV should be an available OPTION.

And in order for that option to be fair, it should have the same subsidies that are afforded to oil and gas.

 

EVs is another luxury belief that went mainstream purely on subsidies. EVs are expensive to make due to battery costs and suited for short urban commutes due to range limitations. They also impractical without at-home charging, requiring home ownership. Combined, these make EV target audience to be top 10%, people that own a house in a large city, can afford a luxury car, and don't have to commute long distance.

 

Re: charging at home:

I know a guy who is so pompous that he wouldn't charge his Tesla at home, instead having the maintenance crew put in a connection so he could charge at work.

I know I shouldn't take any joy in this, but having dealt with him, I can't help but snicker. When the organization fired him, he had to wait for an hour while his car charged before he could leave.

 

This is hilarious. He was charging at work because he was too cheap to pay for his own electricity.

 

Sorry, I just realized I made a bad typo in my statement. I meant to type “EV’s are NOT dead.”

 

"Entitled" comes to mind.

And this fella was NOT on the low end of the pay scale in the organization, y'know.