When the new 4R finally arrives there might not be any room on dealer lots for them

Yes. The LandCruisers seem to be piling up too.

 

Probably about 7 people.

 

I have had 9 Toyota trucks (2000 & 2007 Tundra) and 7 smaller trucks from 1970's Hi-Lux to Tacomas (many other Toyotas too). Also helped friends to negotiate several more Toyota trucks, love Toyota trucks. The problem we have here in the southeast is the insane amount of SET port add on's and then dealer add on's. I know Toyota Corp. is not happy with that, but little they can do.


I looked at some of my older purchases in this SET area and the add on's were very few, if any, but today, it is possible to have over 20% of SET regional and dealer add on's.

I have been going out of the SET area to buy vehicles now.

As far as the Tacoma quality, it has gone down in Mexico IMO. I still like the "J Cars" over the US made vehicles too.

I bought a 2024 4Runner to keep, because I do NOT want a 4 cylinder turbo that you have to squeeze the guts out of to get power.

The 4.0 is slow but bullet proof and I would like an 8 speed transmission, but the 5 speed will do.

Toyota did a good move when they .. super stalled the move to EV's ... even with pressure from DC.

I had 2 different Hi-Lux Toyotas in the 1970's and I really miss those little white, stripped down, simple, single bed wall trucks ... lol

Oh, I live part time in US and part time in Asia and the Toyota Hi-Lux in Thailand is still a very well built truck.

Toyota and Honda dealers in Thailand are gigantic in size. Small city of Chiang Rai had a Toyota dealer with 23 Hi-Lux and 2 sedans on the floor.

PS ... It will be interesting to see what Toyota does with Mexico when pressure increases to build in US.

 

You mean people who were never going to buy one new from a dealership in the first place?

The people who don't buy 4Runners will always have a reason to not buy one. It's too old...It's not a prius in gas mpg....OMG it is so tipsy in corners...Less room than a highlander...it doesn't have a 20 inch tablet where every function is buried three menus deep...there is no end.

 

No

 

Oh well that settles it then. Cogent and concise as ever.

LOL.

 

I have a Mexican made Tacoma that’s build quality has been excellent. It does piss me off though that Toyota is using cheap labor but still charging higher prices than US made trucks.

 

Yup. There was no shortage of 5th gen buyers. They sold everyone every year.

 

For the most part legacy domestic automakers' Mexican operation make as good if not better cars than their US counterparts. Cars like the Fusion, Fieta(minus the DCT) etc are much better made than Ford's domestic sedans like the late Taurus.

Toyota, Honda and Mazda have always been good with their US plants so the quality is not much different.

I don't fault Toyota for charging what the market can tolerate. Still, sucks for the value minded buyers.

 

It’s corporate greed. Most industries go to foreign made products so they can keep costs down compared to similar US made products.

 

No I wouldn’t, because I have morals.

 

Because torque is what gets a vehicle moving, and keeps a vehicle moving. It does not matter how many cylinders are generating it, the important thing is where in the RPM range it occurs.

This is why people like diesel so much, they generate more torque than the equivalent gas motor, and at a lower RPM. That's why they are so good at towing.

I have watched a lot of reviews of the new Tacoma with the 2.4 turbo, and not one of them said they preferred the old V6. They all remarked that the engine felt stronger, and required less downshifting on grades.

 

Interestingly GM's Arlington, TX truck plant and Ford's Kentucky Truck Plant outside of Louisville are both UAW plants but each is regarded as the best plant for each company in the US.

It's not just cost since the same costs of union work force still applies as any other US plant, it also has to do with the work force quality.

 

WTF are you talking about bud? Not taking advantage of poor people and countries to make max profit for the CEOs has nothing to do with shutting down the business. They’ll survive just fine with a bit less money.

 

Most car companies' profit margin is in the low single digits percentage wise. The cost of keeping up with government regulations and future mandates has taken a huge toll on the volume makers.

 

The 3.5 V6 and its shifting problems isn’t too hard to beat. We’ll see how the 2.4 compares to the 4.0 in the 4Runner.
Also comparing this little 2.4 to a diesel for towing is comical. Let’s compare it to a 5.9 Cummins.

 

Let’s look at the price of a couple similar midsize trucks. The Frontier Pro4X is made in the US (I think Mississippi) and costs $45K. A Tacoma TRD Off-road premium which is pretty good match is $60K and made it Mexico by cheaper labor, land, construction, etc. Seems like there’s plenty of extra money being made there.

 

It's not a shifting problem. It's a torque problem.

It will be better.

Why would we compare a small displacement engine in a light duty, midsize SUV to a large diesel engine in a heavy duty full size truck?

Let's compare it to something relevant, like the 1GR or the 2GR-FKS. Performance-wise, it beats both of them.

 

You guys keep bringing up torque, towing and diesels. Anyone who actually wants to tow is buying a real truck. Have you ever driven a diesel ram or even just a hemi ram? There’s absolutely no comparison to any of these Toyota engines. Let’s stop pretending.

 

Did you not read this?

And, yes, I've driven a diesel Ram. So what? How is that at all relevant to the 4Runner?

Also, you're incorrect in stating that anyone who wants to tow is buying a "real truck." You don't need a diesel, or even a full size, for light to medium towing. Why would someone buy a huge ass truck if they don't need it?

 

It just so happens Nissan is not doing well at all with their financial situation. They are forced to use low price PLUS generous incentives to lure customers away from Tacos, Rangers, and Canyorados.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy...monthly-pay-50-company-faces-severe-situation

The Taco premium is of course, real, that's on the consumers who keep extending themselves to buy the TRD offroad and pros.

 

It’s not relevant at all. That’s why I’m wondering why you keep bringing up torque and towing regarding 4Runners.

 

Because people use them for towing and off-roading.

 

Toyota may have just given Nissan a big boost thanks to their high prices, engine failures and transmission problems.

 

Yeah.

Edit: there's a difference between needing to tow 20,000# 5th wheel trailers around, and someone just wanting to be able to tow a small travel trailer or boat without it sucking.

 

I think you’re going to be greatly disappointed driving one of these after talking it up so much.

 

I've already driven a '24 Taco and Landcruiser. How about you?

 

I drove a Frontier and considered it for a minute. It's a nice truck, quieter and better ride than a Tacoma, no power slider, no telescopic steering and only drivers side auto window. Then I drove a new Tacoma, rougher ride and noisier. I drove by another dealer that had a 4Runner Pro, after driving it, there is no comparison. The 4Runner blows them away. Out of the 3, the 4Runner holds it's value the best and Nissan tanking in value.

 

Toyota should have just put the retired 5.7l v8 or the Lexus 5.0l in the 5th gen and called it a day. They could run their factories 24x7 for several years and still never catch-up with demand.